Bidenomics: Only 14% of US voters say Joe Biden has made them better off

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  1. fmw

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    There is very much wrong with federal government making payments to citizens aside from salaries paid to employees or purchasing something from that individual. The 10th amendment makes it illegal.
     
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    Why would anyone credit any president for making them better off? The biggest spike in my career happened while Obama was in office. Does that mean I should credit Obama?
     
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    Right, hindsight is such a gift.
    Tell me......how would everyone done without those checks? Where would the country, the world, be. The US wasn't the only country to give checks.
     
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    If federal government were to stop social spending and send it to the states as the constitution requires, we would all be better off in a serious way.
     
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    Correct. People are responsible for their own life choices. The purpose of government is to keep them safe, not to ensure their wealth. Wealth is earned.
     
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    Where in the constitution does it require the fed to send money to the states?
     
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    Debunked.
     
  8. Zorro

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    It doesn't. The 10th amendment requires non-enumerated powers to be sent to the states. 70% of what federal government does is beyond its constitutional power. It should be illegal for federal government to send money (bribes) to the states. It is illegal for federal government to make payments to individual citizens (voter bribery.)
     
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    the Republican run FED told us the reason they were raising rates was to keep wages from rising
     
  11. Zorro

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    It tells us a lot about Bribed Joe, too.

    St Barack was polling under 47, Rasmussen has Bribed Joe at 45%, and Obama beat Romney by 4 points.

    We learned this with McCain and Romney, who were the type of Republicans that the Left assured the Right were 'perfect' yet they savaged them and destroyed them.

    They are savaging Trump, which you want to lay at his feet, as if he acted like McCain, Bush or Romney wouldn't be occurring and I have to wonder if you think us fools.

    How many times do you think you can run the same play on us, and have us keep falling for it? We have Ivy League students simultaneously demanding safe spaces, claiming not using cross pronouns is 'violence' and at the same time they are enthusiastically celebrating the mass rape and mass murder of Israeli citizens for the 'crime' of being Jewish in Israel. All this "we are horrified by your behavior' is a steaming pile of crap. It attempts to illicitly control others via tantrum. Trump just stuffs it right back down your throat. If the Left wants a candidate like Romney or McCain, they can get behind Manchin, but they won't. You complain about Trump's behavior. Can you direct me to your outrage that Hillary colluded Obama and the Corrupt FBI to illegally spy on Trump and try to drive him from office because they were pissed off that the voters chose Trump over Hillary? Between that and the corrupt FBI and CIA rigging the 2020 election by lying about Hunter's laptop, we've had no greater assault on our democracy.

    Now we have a bribed president, who sending hundreds of millions to support a bloody stalemate in the country that bribed him. Bribed Joe is even demanding that the US taxpayer funds the pensions of Ukrainian government officials, but I'm supposed to get outraged at Trump's tweets? This seem like a lot of virtue signalling and self-stimulation.

    No matter who the GOP candidate is, they are going to get savaged like Trump is. That's simply the way it is.

    Trump's doing fine. A switch of 20,000 votes in the key states and Trump would have won. Trump's 11.3 points ahead of last cycle, which is about 1.7M votes.

    Maybe you are in a bit of a panic and trying to encourage yourself?
     
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    This is an incredibly dumb line of questioning that smacks of a person who is trying to avoid taking responsibility for where they are in life. If you're waiting on Joe Biden, or Donald Trump, to make your life better, then you've already failed.

    This is just an anecdote. I've been working for Shell since 2004. CapEx in oil and gas was higher last year than it has been in nearly a decade. Go get some of it. Oil and gas is still among those most recession proof of industries.

    https://www.ief.org/focus/ief-reports/upstream-investment-report-2023
     
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    It's sad people look to govt to "make them better off". I have never, nor ever will, rely on the govt to make my life better.
     
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    Agreed.
     
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    No, just going by the numbers.
     
  16. Zorro

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    Well, we know a few things for sure:
    1. They don't give a damn what we want, they want what they want.
    2. They don't want to hear any disagreement or complaint from us.
    3. They will not change, and as long as they have the levers of power, the situation will not change.
    4. The only way to change the situation is to vote them out.
     
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    If you don't think that Bribed Joe can devalue your money without even taking it out of your pocket, you aren't paying attention.
    'https://www.mordorintelligence.com › industry-reports › global-oil-and-gas-capex-industry
    CAPEX Oil and Gas Market - Production & Industry Forecast
    'The Oil and Gas CAPEX is expected to grow from USD 797.58 billion in 2023 to USD 983.04 billion by 2028.'

    That's less than 4.7% a year.

    Here's an FDIC savings account with a $5,000 minimum paying 5.05%/yr.

    https://www.cit.com/cit-bank/platinum-savings?msclkid=44e2d8995ee01daec044bdca8eddc5c9&s_kwcid=AL!5243!10!73117833288056!73118312219949&ef_id=44e2d8995ee01daec044bdca8eddc5c9:G:s&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=bing&utm_term=the best saving accounts&utm_content=sc_50_text_cit&utm_campaign=3Q_bng_s_hysa_nb_alpha
     
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    Yes, Biden and the people who control him are in this only for themselves. They don't care about the people. They only want money, power and status. Some college students will wise up, like I did, and realize this, when they get older.

    Unfortunately, too many Americans who say they don't approve of Biden do so for the wrong reason. They think that the government owes them a living. All the government has to do to finance that is is "take it from the billionaires." If that happened, the poor would be worse off because the economy would be in the tank. Someone has to produce or facilitate the productuction of the goods people need.
     
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    I agree with that to a point, but so many of the $Billionaires are Leftists and hooked to government money like an IV that I have no problem with raising their taxes. The Left will posture on it, but since these $Billionaires are also their financiers they either won't or do so in a way that is easily evaded, so why should I fight for them? Except for Musk, which on one fights for me?

    Trump got those bastards though with the SALT cap. If you ever want to watch a rich Leftist go bananas, bring up the SALT cap, they can't evade it. So it can be done, what we get instead is a lot of dog and pony shows.

    We've never sent these greedy spendthrift bastards more.

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    We need spending cuts, and despite all the Republicans we have elected over the last 30 years, spending is still completely out of control.

    I think the solution will require 2/3rds of the States drafting Constitutional Amendments for ratification by 3/4ths of the States.
    1. Balanced Budget Amendment
    2. Term Limits
    3. State Legislature can recall their Senator on a majority vote.
    4. Identical legislation that passes a majority of the State Legislatures can be put on the President's desk to be signed into law with veto override by 2/3rds of the State Legislatures.
     
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    Don't hold you breath waiting for any cogent answer to that^ one :D!
     
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    Oh......so the STATES should have given out the checks. Brilliant.
     
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    This statement is devoid of logic.
    Are you saying that they didn't have to work 2 or 3 jobs before covid and some mysterious happenings took place that they have to now? No doubt you blame inflation and not acknowledge that it's a worldwide problem and the US is doing much better than most.
    The point you want to make is you don't like Biden or Democrats. You don't have a reason other than.....you don't like them. It's actually sad.
     
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    You're right. This (above) is pure fiction.
     
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    All evidence to the contrary
    You can't shut down what wasn't built. The builders shut it down and it has had zero effect.
    One thing has not affected the other.
    He did? What's the number of that order?
    Blah, blah, blah......like a mosquito near your ear.
     
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    With record unemployment, how many "parasites" can there be?
     

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