Biden's Secretary of State promises 'Ukraine will become a member of NATO'

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  1. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    This is probably more convincing in the original Russian
     
  2. Seth Bullock

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    If Trump became POTUS, most likely he would actually talk to Putin *gasp!* and try to negotiate an end to this war.
     
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    Media_Truth Well-Known Member Donor

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    Russia shouldn't have crossed borders to invade another country. Finland and Sweden took notice, and joined NATO. That's what happens when a world leader breaks International law and bullies around smaller countries, with less military power.

    If the US were to invade Mexico, I think NATO members would probably want to expel us from NATO.
     
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  4. Endeavor

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    When you say negotiate , you mean give Putin what is not his to satisfy Putin’s needs.

    That is not negotiation, that is call appeasement.
     
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    When you give bullies what they want, you're telling them that being a bully will get them what they want. Putin wants to be a bully and those who would have the world bend over for him only ensure he continues.

    Seriously, we already learned this lesson in WWII, why is this so hard to understand?
     
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  6. Endeavor

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    They don’t understand at all. They are like sheep following whoever is GOP nominee.

    The same people who think we should negotiate with Russia and give what Putin wants, these very people lined up and voted for Reagan and H Bush.

    The people today say “ we want no war, Trump is the only POTUS who didn’t start war”, these same people lined up to vote for w Bush in 2004 because they wanted Bush to stay in Iraq “as long as it takes’.

    I remember in 2008 when Obama said in a debate that he would sit down with North Korean dictator and Castro ( a big mistake by Obama to think that) , the people who wants to negotiate with Putin, they said “Obama is naive to think we can negotiate with dictator”.

    Conservative reversed past 70 years US foreign policy for orange god.
     
  7. Bill Carson

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    Unfortunately the US wasn't expelled from NATO after we bombed the **** out of Yugoslavia.....which no longer exists because of us.

    I don't think you know what NATO really is. We pay the tab for a bunch of freeloaders in Europe for 'perceived' protection. This is all about the MIC fleecing American taxpayers...with a tip given by Europeans.

    The leaders of Finland and Sweden aren't very bright. Finland is now in NATO because of the mindless club girl that was leading the country and Sweden ought to concentrate on NOT being the rape capital of Europe because of other ignorant decisions (immigration).
     
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    That's why I didn't say "appeasement."
     
  9. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Who said anyone would give Putin anything? Appeasement is giving Iran billions while they conduct proxy wars against our allies.
     
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    Coming soon to a Vox explainer: "Why Appeasement with Iran is good, actually."
     
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    The US did not bomb Yugoslavia, NATO did.

    “Pay the tab”? Perhaps you should look at how NATO membership works. Unlike Mara-Lago membership, NATO members don’t pay for membership.

    Finland's membership expanded NATO's border with Russia by 800 miles. Only stupid leader is Putin. With his actions, he is ensuring that NATO is closer to Russia now than ever before.
     
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    Remind me again which country invaded NATO to instigate a NATO operation?
     
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    It's amazing isn't it? MAGA Trump and his MAGA cronies start becoming pro-Putin, and his MAGA base immediately start following him down the rabbit hole. If he wins the election we may be sporting a sickle and hammer.
     
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    If someone robs me at gunpoint and demands my wallet and we begin to struggle, is Trump going to make us compromise and split the money?
     
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    is that a MAGA talk?
     
  16. Lil Mike

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    A MAGA talk? I'm not sure what that even means, other than you're not going to answer my question are you?
     
  17. Endeavor

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    what was your question?
     
  18. Lil Mike

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    How quickly you forget...

    See post 62. You only have to scroll up
     
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  19. Endeavor

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    i have no idea. why don't you educate me.
     
  20. hawgsalot

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    Good grief, did you not notice ole Putin didn't attack Ukraine while Trump was president. This happened while your weak ass lap dog became President. You rough and tumble lefties have let Putin flex, China flex and Iran flex. Lefties are like the wuss running away from a fight yapping the whole way. We all see who the bi$^# really is.
     
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  21. Endeavor

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    I can do the same argument. Did you notice China is not unleashing new virus to shut down the world? China unleased deadly virus during weak Trump was POTUS.
     
  22. hawgsalot

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    So are you saying China intently released the corona virus? Wow, Now that's quiet the hot take, your lefty buddies will be pm'ing you telling you to edit that post in 3,2,1.

    Either way awful rebuttal to the facts.
     
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  23. Endeavor

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    China unleashed the deadly virus knowing Trump is incompetent.

    What Chian didn’t think of , after unleashing virus , Trump would still be kissing Xi a$$.
     
  24. hawgsalot

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    Wow quiet the big thinker you are. So, if that's the case why is Biden kissing China's ass and Biden's kid and brother making all that money from them?
     
  25. Lil Mike

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    If you're not interested you're not interested
     

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