Big Lies for Abortion >>MOD WARNING<<

Women in distress with a real medical problem.

But anyone who looks at the actual figures of abortions after 1973 and the number of all
pregnancy-related maternal deaths before 1973 would disagree. These statistics prove
that the pro-abortion estimates have no basis in either fact or logic. 1960, Vital Statistics
attributes 289 of those 1,579 deaths to abortion (legal and illegal).
By 1972, the year before the Supreme Court legalized abortion-on-demand
nationwide, there were 24 deaths from legal abortions and 39 from illegal abortions (according to the Centers for Disease Control Abortion Surveillance, Annual Summary, 197. Not only have pro-abortionists grossly exaggerated the number of illegal abortions and deaths, they misrepresent what caused the decline in the number of abortion-related
deaths. It had nothing to do with legalization of abortion. The number had been dropping steadily long before the first states legalized abortion. The real explanations are such factors as the availability of better antibiotics, such as penicillin, the establishment of intensive care units and better surgical techniques.

 

Nope! I argue reality that from the moment of conception it is a human life, ergo a baby in the womb.

 

Again, we get back to the fundamental issue that a majority of "pro-lifers"...

don't believe their own rhetoric.

They scream "Abortion is MURDER!!!!".....but then you ask them, "Okay, if it's 'murder'...and it were made illegal.....would you support sentencing a woman who self-induces an abortion to life-in-prison or even to be executed...for 'murder'?"

and 80-90% of them say "No, of course not....strawman"....and show that they don't REALLY consider abortion "murder"....

and their screams are dishonest self-righteousness....even they don't agree with.

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So abortion at the moment of conception is "killing a baby"?

BTW, when is "conception"...when the sperm penetrates the ovum cell wall?

 

Thankfully almost no country in the civilized world agrees with you.

 

You have no proof that that is anything but your opinion....if it was from a real un-biased site it wouldn't use the ignorant biased inaccurate word "pro-abortion".

 

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Since when is an abortion a "terrifying event"?

Since a miscarriage is a naturally induced abortion and women had just as many miscarriages as abortions in 2010 why are they not suffering from miscarriage induced PTSD?

Sidebar: <Mod Edit> women are generally very pragmatic about contraception, pregnancy, periods, miscarriages and abortions IMO.

 

Reality is that at the moment of conception all you have is a fertilized egg with two sets of DNA, one from each parent, therefore that cannot be a "human life" which only has a single unique set of DNA.

 

To "spoil the trick"....dnsmith's line about "moment of conception" and "baby in the womb"...

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Fertilization takes place in the Fallopian tubes...not the uterus.

So at the "moment of conception"....there is NO "baby in the womb"....there's not even a fertilized egg in the womb.

 

Agreed, and unless the recombination of the DNA works perfectly and the blastocyst embryo successfully implants into the uterine wall there will be a miscarriage that most women won't even notice.

But the womb obsessed zealots will insist upon launching an investigation into this to determine if a "3rd degree murder" occurred because she did something to cause the miscarriage.

 

American citizens should have the same basic rights, set forth in the Constitution of the UNITED States of America, in every state

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There you refer to abortion as murder....why not the same sentence as any other murderer?

 

People will always murder. Should we legalize murder?
Men will always rape. Should rape be legalized, since men will ALWAYS DO IT?
Your nonsense is nonsense. You're simply repeating talking points which are irrelevant and inane.

Selfish people, who care only about themselves, be they murderers, rapists, or abortionists, will continue their immoral acts. And they say to you, "SO WHAT?"

And that makes millions of people very happy, Miss Smiley Face.
How about those forced abortions in China? The ones eliminating all the little girls, for "choice." Pretty cool in your opinion, right?

 

Again I point out that these "immoral" acts are done in every civilized country on the planet legally.
<Mod Edit> Your view of morality is heavily distorted to the rest of the world

 

Nope! Fact! The slippery slope argument is that which claims it is not a baby in the womb.

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No conflict! My mind AND my heart tells me it is murder and there is no evidence to counter that claim.

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The early fetus is a human life, IE baby. And there is no evidence to suggest other wise. Just the opinions that justify the murder of the baby.

 

I read it all, and understood it.
Since when is an abortion a "terrifying event"? [/quote]Since the beginning of abortion. That is what causes post abortion syndrome.

Many of the women I counseled as a psychologist had PTSD after a miscarriage. My wife was in depression over the miscarriage of our second child for almost 7 years. She feared pregnancy, yet feared not having more children even more.

And many suffer miscarriage and abortion syndrome after the loss of the baby. I have personally observe over 105 cases if Post abortion syndrome and as many post miscarriage syndrome.

 

No, including the murder in the womb.

Irrelevant comment.

So does abortion. There is no difference except the degree of homicide.

I agree! Including abortion it does cause chaos in society.

I agree to that too. Abortion murders a living child, and it does cause chaos in many women.

It can't, but the baby in the womb DOES EXIST.

That is not correct. As Random Observer stated between 13 and 41 post abortion suffer from post abortion syndrome.

Because you don't mind supporting murder of an existing baby in the womb

So you don't consider the million or so murders a year by abortion is not selfish? Baloney!

Yes, that is what FORCE DOES. A million innocent babies murdered, and from 100 THOUSAND TO 410 THOUSAND of those who have abortions suffer that FORCE, and post abortion syndrome.

Women are not FORCED into anything. Unless there is a reasonable medical issue, WOMEN are forcing the death of a million or so abortions for convenience annually.

I don't like force anything; not violence against the baby in the womb.and noone should kill the baby in the womb just for convenience. The baby's developing within the womb is a separate person from the mother, so an aborting mother and doctor is using force against the baby. Glad you brought up, it proves my point. Had my wife had an abortion for convenience, I would have divorced her, just as many clear thinking men have done.

 

In post 942 You have me quoted as saying :""Men will always rape. Should rape be legalized, since men will ALWAYS DO IT?"""

I did NOT post that.....how many times are you going to ALTER QUOTES!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????? HOW DISHONEST!



And so NOW you call abortion murder........so what punishment should murderers get ??????????


And YES, you want to FORCE women to give birth as if they were nothing more than animals.....

 

That reminds me. The only way to get insurance coverage is to report the diagnosis code. What diagnosis code would a psychologist use for Post Abortion Syndrome?

 

It has to be a real disorder to get insurance reimbursement. Not a completely made up diagnosis that is not recognized anywhere in the DSM.

 

When I see that pro-life advocates cannot make their case without misusing the words "baby" and "child" and "person" I know that they have no confidence in their position. Thus the resort to the "appeal to emotion."

When I see that pro-life advocates claim it is murder to terminate a zygote/embryo/fetus, but they will not punish the woman who conspired to do so with a sentence of life in prison, I know that they do not really believe their own rhetoric. I read the pro-life web pages. I know pro-lifers claim abortion is even worse than murder.

So why don't you admit you would send a woman to prison for a life sentence if she conspires to get an abortion??

 

You won't get an answer.

I didn't EVER get an answer to :So why can't you ever say HOW you "counseled" them? Why can't you say what you told them ?!!!
Or ""So what sentence should murderers get? ""

 

Yep, you are a master of circular posts and sappy inane stories. When I tell a story based on my personal experiences you can bet your last dollar it is true. I don't need to fib the evidence I have submitted is supported by fact.

 

I counseled them with empathy. Listened to their stories, comforted them, used group therapy to give like effected persons to discuss their symptoms with each other. So to shorten you ridiculous question, I did it based on the proper way to counsel. Depending on the serious of the murder, like 1st degree, or 2nd degree with various definitions the punishment will be different. In the case of murder by abortion, women do not need a legal punishment. The are well punished by their own post abortion syndrome.

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I changed no quotes. I leave out the redundant irrelevant parts of so me assertions, but I never twist words like you and your compadres.

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If they get pregnant through their own negligence and have an abortion, they ARE ANIMALS.

 

Abortion seems to the only crime that requires no punishment. Hilarious. And PAS is coded as 123.01 Made up diagnosis. Lol