Black Culture Pathology, What to do?

FINALLY!! somebody who doesnt think black people have problems because of how many children they have!! and not to be 'this girl' i would think hispanics have more kids, or that could be me because where i live, almost everyone has a hispanic parent or are hispanic.

 

The problem isn't a "black" problem, it's a socioeconomic one. Honestly I think we need to seriously change public housing in this country. Get them out of the cities and on to cheap, rural land. Hell, you could use the money saved in property costs to provide free shuttles to whatever city is close by. Not to mention the fact that this would leave to more revenue for the city when most available retail space is for profit. Poverty perpetuates itself in crowded urban dwellings.

 

Lord Forgive The Liberals. They mean well.
Unique Slave history, socioeconomic, etc. and what not does NOT cut it anymore. Wake up. Smell the
These excuses have not led to solutions over the last decades. If anything these handicapped approach to solutions has perpetuate the disparity between Black and NOT Black culture.

BTW Colin Powell has checked on on Trayvon
http://news.yahoo.com/powell-trayvon-martin-verdict-questionable-110627637.html
WASHINGTON (AP) — Former Secretary of State Colin Powell called the jury verdict that cleared the killer of Florida teenager Trayvon Martin "questionable" and urged President Barack Obama to speak more on issues of race during an interview that aired Sunday. <edit>
"I'd like to see him (Obama) be more passionate about race questions," Powell said of Obama, whom he endorsed during the 2008 and 2012 presidential election. <edit>

Moi's response on Yahoo News blog
Colin, cc Barack, Jesse, Al
Get Your Own House In Order.
The Old lady holds her purse tighter because you people worship "gangstas".
Your Trayvon's kill other Trayvon's everyday - every other day in Chicago !
Your Trayvon's kill a white baby in their stroller while a horrified mother watches.
Your Trayvon's kill a near 90 year old world war 2 veteran with a severe beating.
Your Trayvon's kill visiting Australian baseball players, the white kid was booked as accomplice.
Your Trayvon's went on destructive rampages after the verdict with no guidance from Colin.
Three of Your Trayvon's beat a White kid on a School Bus. Etc. Etc.

I am a recovered White Liberal, if any Liberal can be truly recovered -
and after over four decades of educational special admissions and scholarships, job preferences
I refuse to feel culpable for a Black Culture that disdains the Middle Class experience, and chooses to remain in the Ghetto.

Colin, Barack, Jesse, Al, et al - Get Your Own House In Order.
It isn't the White Man's fault No More Nor Is It The Slave Experience.
Bootstrap yourselves with virtues, education, work ethic.
STOP WELFARE. Institute WORKFARE. Which may require moving to another n'hood.
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I am amazed at how reactionary I sound.
It just seems so clear to me the Liberal's "special treatment" approach for Black people has just crippled their full recovery.
It is evident today.

Moi
I refuse to feel guilty over the Black condition in America anymore -
I do feel guilty over extreme poverty, hunger, homelessness, etc. experienced by any American.

 

I kind of agree, but I think there's a problem in how we're looking at things -- which is to say that we're looking at the bottom part of the black economic spectrum because most of the middle class have gone. If you took a look at ONLY the Rednecks, you'd think white people were all like the Honey Boo Boo family. Trailer trash, junk in the yard, uneducated, stupid, uncultured, with lots of guns and beer. The ghetto is the same kind of thing -- it's the trailer park trash of blacks, if you take my meaning.

And really I think the answer is the same as what immigrants do -- have the middle class stay with the lower class, and spend your money in your community, and hire your own people. There are a lot of immigrant groups that have done that successfully, and it seems to work. What doesn't seem to work is to pull the middle class away and leave only an underclass with no education, no money, and little way to get either one. Bosnians came with nothing, they built a community, they had community businesses and diners and so on, made a point of hiring Bosnians to work in Bosnian businesses and most Bosnians are on their way to middle class success. I don't think it would work any different for people of different backgrounds, you just have to stick together and make a point of building the community.

 

i just dont get why people keep looking back! when i look back at segregation, and all that other chaos that happened i dont go 'all white people must be terrible' instead i go 'hmm, why dont i learn about my grandmother's history, and make the most of what MLK, and other civil rights activist gave us by being the first to graduate high school in my immediate family(done), get a job to support myself(two on hold), and being diverse with my frienships(i have white AND black friends who take interest in books, and LOVE harry potter)'. so i dont use history as a reason to hate, i use it to learn from past mistakes, and make myself better by learning them, and thankfully im the only one in my family who didnt get in trouble with boys.

 

But surely if you remove the problem it works double fold in your favor. First they are gone and secondly there is nobody to impede leftist ideology that you 'know' is the answer to all social problems. I didnt think leftists worried about borders anyway so a little surprised you and others arent fully behind this idea.

 

Jackster
What Is The Problem ?
What do you say is the problem.
I say the problem is a Black Culture observed by a super majority if Black persons that disses the middle class experience.
One of their own trying to get ahead is accused of "acting white".
The Black Culture attitude toward the middle class experience has successfully obstructed the benefits of forty years of special college admissions, scholarships, job preferences, etc.
Black clanishness should be dissuaded as a form of racism.
It is time to believe the problem is NOT with Non Black America.
The problem is with Black Culture that worships the free life whether welfare or gangsta.
The Solution Has To Come From Within Black Culture, Not from outside acting on Black people.
Over forty years of that approach has proven - it is not the way to integration, equality, Americanism.

The professional Blacks such as Jesse and Al do more to hurt Black people then to guide them to equality.
Similarly, Barack and Colin too.

Moi

 

The problem i refer to is the one leftists tell us time and time again, whites namely white republicans or libertarian types. Look at their reasoning, all problems ultimately are there because of white people - and im sure they dont mean democrat voters since they are the solution. They dont and never will identify the problem people as being the problem, its always someone else's fault - so thats why im confused that they wouldnt fully support an idea to divide the country in two (like many countries have in history) and put all the problem whites in one half. That would solve their social and economic problems in one easy solution.

 

We don't need to 'divide' the nation. Let's improve what we've got.

 

And how do you propose to do that, keep blaming whites for everything until they yield and accept their beatings and new tax revenue slave status? My suggestion allowed you lefties to rid yourselves of what you claim is the problem but dont want to do it. Its almost like you NEED someone to blame to maintain some victim hood status rather than be accountable for your own actions.

 

Factories, gardens.

 

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There is only ONE thing White America can do to help Black America; Stop giving them any kind of Freebie handout, special program, special preference or Assistance!

Force the Degenerate portion of Black America to join the rest of productive society or Starve to Death!

Stop subsidizing their obsession with white-hatred, and force them to become productive (Act White) or die.

After White America does that, Black America will rise to the challenge, or not. We've done all we could.

It really is that simple.

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How many black people have you talked to personally who say that any black person who tries to get ahead is "acting white".

 

Do you propose that we do not try? If so, then stop addressing 'me' (please); I don't want to entertain that BS.

 

It's worth noting that many white people benefit from the continued existence of a black underclass.

Beneficiaries include the army of workers at every level of government who administer aid programs. Their jobs depend on a large population of dependents.

The Democratic Party as we know it could not survive without the overwhelming support of black voters. Countless close elections are decided by 70% or even 90% of black voters going for the Democrat. Poll results show that every Democratic Presidential candidate after Lyndon Johnson has lost the white vote. Black voters put Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, and Barack Obama in the White House. Their impact has been similar in every election when they participate in numbers.

Beyond votes, black people give Democrats their claim on the moral high ground. If you ask Democrats who they are, they're above all the party of people who are not racist, or at least claim not to be. Opposition to racism is the source of Democratic self esteem and how they present themselves to the world. What would happen to Democrats if the black underclass promoted itself into the middle class? It would devastate the party. They would start losing elections. Worse, they would lose the claim to moral superiority which animates them. It's notable how little Democrats have done for poor black people (and poor white people), even while they accumulated power by claiming to be sympathetic. Since Obama took office, what's happened to unemployment among black people? Graduation rates? What's happened during any Democratic government? LBJ was the last President to focus on poor people or people of color. Since then, Democrat pols harvest the black vote without ever doing more than showing up near election day. But as Marx wrote, "being determines consciousness." Black people with education, good jobs, and families may find their interests diverging from the pandering rhetoric of the Democratic Party.

Finally, there are many white people who enjoy patronizing blacks. It makes them feel superior and virtuous. After all, when one group of people "helps" another, there is an inescapable condescension. Those doing the helping are obviously better situated. Without overt racism, white people can assure themselves that they're moral princes by pitying blacks. In America, status derives not only from wealth and power. Conspicuous, visible virtue is a status symbol just as much as a big house or car. White people who publicize their non-racism, who routinely accuse others of racism, believe they're covering themselves in glory. Don't underestimate the appeal of this moral snobbery.

So long as there are civil servants, Democrats, and self-appointed saviors profiting from the suffering of "inner city" black people, there will be a constituency for policies which discourage black success.

 

Bobov I totally agree with much of what you said.

The Democratic Party Needs a large poor minority population in the same way that it NEEDS to have a human caused global warming catastrophe on the horizon...

They use these as justification for taking control of industries and people's life choices and taxing the hell outta of U.S. for their "Assistance".

They never want to actually solve the problem, having the pet-problem is their justification and excuse. So they act like they care and are working on the problem, but it will only get worse.

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Do you really believe that?

 

Politicians need to have a class that will vote for them to stay in power. For politicians it is all about maintaining that power. To keep the votes coming in, they need a class of people that depend on them.

 

Michelle Obama has on several occasions spoke of how Black Children would ask her about
talking like a White person and her attempts to convince them it is talking like an educated American.
Is that close enough.

Moi

 

As a proud white conservative I say it is something wrong in the U.S., whites should fight more for our rights.I'm not gulty und i'm proud to be a white, if blacks do not accept it then I don't give a (*)(*)(*)(*).

 

Boring clap-trap. A "class" of people? Your arrogance is (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up.

 

You evidently have no concept of power or politicians. There is a reason they are now "career" politicians instead of what was initially envisioned, a body that "occasionally" met to determine the course of the nation. They spend most of their time consolidating their power. To do that they have to have a class of individuals that will keep them in power. By using propaganda they spread fear to make sure they "get out the vote". For Americans, fear and anger are about the only things that will get them off their butts to vote. "Socialism", "They will take away your Medicare", etc., used all the time to "get out the vote". This is not something that is confined to one party.

 

All that work in your post and you neglected (conveniently?) to mention that more black people are poor than white people, per capita, no matter where you look.

 

Yes, I've thought that a time or two myself:

http://www.politicalforum.com/elect...merican-white-voters-solidarity-movement.html

 

I do regret the pollution that caused some uploads to appropriately be removed.
And I am very impressed with the thoughtfulness and maturity of most uploads.

By mature discussion we might arrive at other avenues of correction because the current avenue of special admissions, job preferences, etc. have not really worked.

This video link is from another thread.
http://www.reagancoalition.com/articles/2013/20130827007-white-toddler-bullied.html
My guess is an older child was directing the activity.
The point is obvious.
When are Black people responsible for treating White people as "others" ?
And of course, "others" does not speak to equality in status with a Black person among Blacks.

What year do you suppose these children's parents were born ? 1980's?
How does this sickness continue?

Moi