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  1. Esau

    Esau Well-Known Member

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    There is no such place as middle East other that in the European gays, fact.

    Your "fact" that the Jews were not black is nothing more than an inaccurate prejudice opinion. Israel is in Africa, fact. Not Europe or Asia. Your opinions are based purely on emotional bias, fact.
     
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    You have zero integrity, therefore please refrain from using this word.
     
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    Jewish means "similar to Jews" Jewish ppl are not Jews, fact
     
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    The term Middle East is imprecise, culturally and geographically biased, susceptible to misunderstanding, and therefore useless in terms of accuracy. Though the term has been called Eurocentric, it is more precisely Anglo-centric, originating at the height of the British imperial century (1815-1914). I also suggest that the related acronym “MENA” (Middle East-North Africa) also be dropped.

    The broadest definition of the term “Middle East” came at the 2004 conference of the G8 nations, based on the definition of USA’s Bush administration. This included the entire Muslim world, because to the Bush administration Middle East = Muslim = terrorist (or oil in the case of “friendly” regimes). Often called the “Greater Middle East”, this list includes the “traditional” Middle East nations in Anatolia, the Levant, the Arabian peninsula, and Mesopotamia, as well as those in Central Asia, the Caucasus, and North Africa.
     
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    Middle East pertains to the place designated as east of London. It was named such by London since it is east of London. Arabs do not call it middle East because it is not east of them. Only racists use the term "middle East"

    Learn something today..
     
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    In order to examine whether the Middle East is an invention, it is important to examine the significance of British and French influence over the region. The fall of the Ottoman Empire in the early 20th century marked the beginning of Western influence in the region and consequently created the ‘Middle East’ that we know today. By examining the role the British and French had in shaping state boundaries and state formations, along with the social and geopolitical aspects, it can be argued that the imperial rule of the British and French essentially invented the Middle East. Even the name coined for the region can be an indication of how the Middle East can be understood as an invention. The term Middle East is a Eurocentric term and was coined by the British in accordance with the proximity of the region to Europe. As a result, the region can be interpreted in various ways and what countries form the Middle East is often a topic of debate, with many scholars opting to referring to the region as ‘West Asia’. This essay will argue that the Middle East can be understood as an imperial invention, created by the European imperial powers by exploring policies such as the Sykes-Picot Agreement and the mandate system, as well as the region’s response to such policies and how overtime nationalist groups have contributed to the identity of the region. Edward Said’s ‘Orientalism’ can support many of the claims made in this essay and the policies which are explored, demonstrating how Orientalist attitudes have played a significant role in the ‘invention’ of the Middle East as well as 21st century Western influence and intervention in the region.
     
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    The region of the world, referred to by most as the Middle East (ME), is culturally a diverse and rich area with a complex history and an even more complex problem with how to describe it. Upon closer inspection of the name, one could wonder what this region is in the “middle” of and what is it to the “east” of it. All other major world regions may not have obvious name origins, but they certainly do not simply use vague geographic descriptors. The name “Middle East” is problematic in its vagueness, but it is an archaic and Eurocentric holdover from when European powers forcibly divided and semi-controlled the region. As the world becomes more cognizant of how we describe people and places, a new name is needed to describe the incredibly diverse region most people refer to as the “Middle East.

    Middle East is a word only used by racists and ignorant ppl.
     
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    then why is it you used the words (Jews) and Jewish in the same post if you were referring to two different types of people? Who did you say needs to learn English again?
     
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    Just how I can use white and black in the same post and be referring to different ppl, obviously.
     
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    My idealogy is solid, you have NO realistic or logical idealogy, your idealogy is based on Eurocentric racist terminology like "middle East"
     
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    This must be that age old liberal magic trick of changing definitions to meet your argument. Just to avoid all the semantics of what’s the Middle East and what’s not I’m just going to ignore this opinion. It does not change the fact that Nazareth Israel has never been dominant *black*. Again… Jesus was not black. What do you have against middle eastern ethnicity to deny that?
     
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    But you weren’t. So when someone says “The Jewish people are the rightful owners of Israel” they are not referring to Jews?
     
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    There was no such thing as the middle East at the time of the biblical Jews. That's like saying USA was around during biblical times. Israel was in Africa at that time.
     
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    Correct.
     
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    Omg lmao
     
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    It doesn’t matter. Nazerath of Israel (an area known as part of the Middle East) has never been predominantly black. The odds are better in favor of white than black. But the odds are best to be the tan skin tone that is dominant in that area.
     
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    The two type of discussions:
    Academic - were you show the sources of the information you are sharing
    Military - based on sergeant principle "do you believe me or your own eyes?"

    Mr. Esau uses the second type, he is not showing the sources of his discoveries and expect us to believe him.
    I found it very entertaining and just for fun I love to agree with him. One of my 'agreements' he even selected as his signature:)
    As to Jews being Blacks - in the Bible Black people are called in Hebrew 'kushim', Jews are called 'yehudim' which is a clear proof that Jews were not Black. I think will be easier to convince President Trump that there was no fraud in 2020 election than to convince Mr. Esau that the Biblical Jews were not Black.
     
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    I guess what you are saying is that Jews are white. Tell that to Nazis, the KKK, anti-semites. Certain "non whites" may feel that, but certainly the history of we Jews both from our method of identifying ourselves and how those who have tormented has, did not define us as white. I am not white. White is a stupid description with due respect. No one is white, yellow or black. Those are subjective descriptions that have zero scientific meaning. They provide subjective generalizations as to secondary physical characteristics such as skin tone, lip shape and size, eye shape and size, nose shape and size, ear shape and size and hair texture. They are rather idiotic ways of defining people as every human's secondary characteristics are never the same and can not be the same any more than your fingerprints are.

    More to the point who is white? People who many refer to as white are shades of grey, green, pink, briown but the most black of people appears purple and the most white of people has some kind of grey, green or pink hue. Yellow people are never the exact same shade of yellow and its mixed with brown, pink or grey.

    Jews have never had a distinct look. That is a myth. We could be African (light and dark), Asian (Chinese, Indian, Arab) to what some call Caucasian. Our noses, hair texture, eyes, lips come in every variation.

    We do not define ourself as a race. Nazis and anti semites do. We define ourselves as a collective identity based on a common connection back to ancient Israel and the Hebrew people and our collective identity first and foremost is sharing the experience of being hated because we are Jews. We have been hated for many reasons-the language we speak, the clothes we wore or wear, our religion, our politics. Our self expression has had over thousands of years to develop so its a mix of creed, ethnicity, religion, art, diet, existential struggle, politics, attire and practices that can differ but can be connected back to anti-semitism directed against us for almost any reason.

    Our collective identity is pretty much how gay people define themselves. Gay people are a collective identity who define their common collective identity from the hatred directed against them because they are gay. Other then that gay people come in every shape and size like Jews. Interestingly we both express our existential anxiety in very similiar terms which can be seen in our music and humour and use of both and art to try cope with the feelings of alienation. Neither of us defines as white. We define ourselves as humans first by the way.

    I do not speak for gays but I use their analogy because its the best way to explain it. Neither of us are necessarily a visible minority but could be and certainly skin colour is an absurd way to define either of us for the same reasons.
     
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    Bottom line anyone who lives in a certain climate with sun exposure is going to darken. Period. Common sense alone would tell you anyone who lived in Arabia/Israel/Iran/Egypt/Mesopotamia is or was going to be dark skinned or darker skinned than the lily white paintings of white Jesus which is a result of ethnocentric bias by the painter(s) who depicted Jesus as pale. Its quite possible many of them were not even aware of their own ethnocentric biases just as some continue to be oblivious to it, today.

    It doesn't matter. If you believe Jesus is the son of God sent to save you and attribute divine qualities to him, that in itself is far more subject to debate than how big his nose was.
     
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    I would add that everyone can became a Jew without regard to the color of skin, there are Black Jews, Asian Jews, Hindu Jews and maybe Innuit Jews.
     
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    Where's Israel? Who named Europe Europe or Africa Africa? Why do you accept one geographic designation labeled by Europeans and not another? Could it be bias? Also saying all "Africans" are Black is racist nonsense or do I misunderstand?
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    For sure. Many Africans are not black. I know a white guy from Africa who gets a good laugh when h calls himself "African American".
     
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    And the Easter bunny?

    hmmm my DNA has markers suggesting I am 70% Irish, and among other markers, 2.1 % African, 2% Native American; so, aside from my DNA suggest ing I am a mutt, I what is my race? What % of what makes me what? Is my race determined by my skin color? If so, what shade makes me what? Where’s the cut off?
     
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    I have long advocated everyone should take a DNA test. Virtually everyone has African genetic markers because it’s where humans originated… so much for white racial purity, a myth propagated by Europeans that wanted to justify and control the populations of those peoples they wished to exploit. Enough is enough we are all humans with the color of blood. In the 60’s I nearly married the only Black woman in my school who I considered my soulmate until her father moved them to Paris to avoid that possibility ( He did right, I was a bad one in those days, I blame him not). She and I joked a law should be passed to prevent marriage to someone of the same race eventually resulting eliminating the basis for racism, but then people would find another way to discriminate to achieve power over others…. Enough is enough. Time to realize we are all related and an insesting lot lot, all of us ****ing our distant cousins …the product of common ancestors.
     
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    not all Africans are black.... look at Musk.. but yes, we are all one race, the human race and like hair color and eye color, we have different skin colors too
     
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