Black Reparations.

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  1. dixon76710

    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    Why do you pay money to descendants of slavers in Britain?
     
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    are you serious?

    Lmao, only two pages back mate, go look, here's more...


    The family of the current Prime Minister of Britain, David Cameron, benefited from the enslavement of African people. According to Dr. Nick Draper of University College London, as many as one-fifth of wealthy Victorian Britons inherited part or all of their fortunes from the slave economy. As a result, there are now wealthy families all around the U.K. still indirectly enjoying the proceeds of slavery they have inherited. In addition to benefiting from slavery while it was legal in the British Empire, Cameron’s ancestors were given £4,101, equal to more than £3 million today ($4.7 million dollars), for the 202 black people they enslaved on the Grange Sugar Estate in Jamaica
     
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    Through the tax system. I'll be locked up if I refuse to pay off the Rothschild loan for the slavers
     
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    Sorry but you pay, I pay, we all pay.
     
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    What you think personally is irrelevant. White Jewish Europeans have been paid billions in cash for reparations by germans. This means Germans are forgiven. White Jewish Europeans and white Christian europeans whom both enslaved so called African Americans have NOT paid reparations and ARE THEREFORE UNFORGIVEN.
     
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    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't like to make assumptions about the beliefs of others until I know more about them.

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    I don't mind admitting when I don't know something but I don't know the Jewish slave trader to Christian slave trader ratio.
    I do, however, know that none of the Jewish friends and relatives I know would have anything to do with anything like slave trading then or now.

    Re:
    You are not the first or only person to point out this disparity just as others have compared the success of getting reparations for the survivors of other greater tragedies. America compensated Japanese- Americans and Germany has paid and continues to pay the fraud prone Holocaust Industry (1), (2)but the survivors of Stalin's, Mao's and Pol Pot's barbarism get nothing to my knowledge.
    I don't think that any one doubts that many of Europe's Jews were persecuted, robbed and even executed but it's an undeniable reality that the Holocaust receives far more publicity and in some cases the crassly exploited and grossly exaggerated Holocaust narrative is forced on school children who learn nothing about the equal or greater tragedies.

    I omitted enslaved African Americans not because they and their children aren't deserving of compensation but because of the Pandora's box we would open in deciding who gets what and for how long. What sort of proof would one have to produce in order to get how much in reparations?
    The passage of so much time has only made a fair plan more elusive.

    I'd be happy to hear any plan you have to determine who pays how much, who gets how much and how it should be distributed.

    Thanks,


    1)"17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

    EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED



    (2)"HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

    EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED
     
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    That doesnt support your assertion "us whites profited vastly from being slavers". It would support the assertion that 1-5 wealthy Britons profited. Its your ideology that takes this small group of whites and expands responsibility to include all who have the same colored skin. As a racist you judge people by the color of their skin. You use the same ideological leap to attribute victim hood status all who have the same color skin as those slaves 100+ years ago.
     
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    Some blacks owned slaves. Why dont you attribute responsibility to all who have the same color skin as those black slavers?

    Those loans from 150 years ago have been repaid.
     
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    George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush

    According to researchers, a notoriously vicious slave trader, who brought captive slaves from West Africa to colonial America, is the same man whose descendants produced two U.S. presidents: George W. Bush and his father, George H.W. Bush.

    Twelve American presidents owned slaves, eight while serving in office, and at least 25 presidents count slave owners among their ancestors. But Thomas Walker a direct ancestor of George W. and George H.W. Bush was part of a much more appalling group: Thomas Walker was a notorious slave trader active in the late 18th century along the coast of West Africa. Walker, George H.W. Bush’s great-great-great grandfather, was the captain of, master of, or investor in at least 11 slaving voyages to West Africa between 1784 and 1792.”
     
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    only in 2015. All my life I've paid for Rothschild's silver spoon
     
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    we will ask again, who is "my ppl"?
     
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    I assume that you're talking about Europe's Jewish community.

    There is no credible and hard evidence that the German's killed the frequently claimed(1) "6 million Jews".
    That number Wass simply made up by Simon Wiesenthal and his cronies.

    As you can see from the source I cited, the claim that "6 million Jews" have been killed, persecuted, starved and somehow endangered has been made about 200 times.

    Additionally, Jewish sources confirm that about 6 million Jews could not have been killed during the the 1940s:

    "Was there Really a Holocaust?"(*)
    https://www.biblebelievers.org.au/wasthere.htm

    EXCERPT "The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanac's figures were supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Next the Jewish-owned New York Times of February 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish population for that year amounted "to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000 in addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine." How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?"CONTINUED

    (*)To be clear, yes, I believe that the Holocaust happened but I simply believe that it has been crassly exploited and grossly exaggerated .

    Thanks,


    (1) "Full text of "Two Hundred "Six Million Jews" Allegations From 1900-1945"
    https://archive.org/details/TwoHundredSixMillionJewsAllegationsFrom19001945
     
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    That doesnt support your assertion "us whites profited vastly from being slavers". and is instead evidence that Bush's descendants profited. Like I said, you simply proclaim it is so.
     
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    Sounds like made up BS to me.
     
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    When iwas a history teacher there were the students that smoked and chewed gum, not at the same time, who used to to say that to me
     
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    Oh lets see evidence of any loan from the days of slavery paid off in 2015.
     
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    LOL, you seem unaware how many of us have no need of your "forgiveness".
     
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    Who received payments?
    They searched for the identities of the slave owners and tried to trace the payments back to specific individuals.

    Sometimes they couldn’t see the exact payment but they could see someone coming into unexplained funds and making large purchases or investments.

    While the payments were made to specific owners, it was interesting to look at where these families lived.

    British society was influenced by slave ownership in many unexpected ways.

    Slavery was a larger part of the history of the UK than we realize today.

    Ending slavery and making large payments to the owners had an immediate impact on the physical, cultural, artistic, and political spheres of British society.

    It was revealing to see where they invested the money they received
     
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    The whole reparations thing is ridiculous. If you have go back 100 years to find the wronged parties, NO ONE should be forced to pay. Gavin Newsome wants to pay reparations in California. It’s just one more vote buying scheme.
     
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    And you noted the color of skin of those "individuals", and proclaimed responsibility to all today with the same color skin.
     
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    The names I've read, some I e posted here, that received payment from me and all UK citizens (who had nothing to do with plantation ownership, were landed gentry in UK who were white, as are their descendants who now live on these country estates.

    All of the research I've done, decades, has led me to the conclusion that 99% of plantation owners were white Europeans. It's my understanding that the other 1% that owned a plantation or two were a couple of black Portuguese merchants but don't quote me on that.

    I can go found out a little more about that 1% if you insist.
     
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    We elected Obama as an apology, what will apology 2.0 do for anyone?
     
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    And so the polish immigrant living in a run down flat in a bad part of London has no responsibility and has gained no benefit from slavery, even though he happens to be white.
     

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