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  1. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    yeh posting pictures of the now hardened molten steel and witnesses is a red herring.

    yes see the way it works is that molten steel also pours down the elevator shafts to the bottom floors.


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    gravity does that. still arguing this from the 2 digit poser position? Can we take this up a notch or 2 so I dont have to be so bored?

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    probably by slamming into a wall at the speed of a bullet, ya think?
     
  2. Blues63

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    In response to my post it is.

    Assuming of course (if it ever existed) it was created at the point of impact and by the fires, and not by convection in the pile. You make too many assumptions.

    See above. *SIGH* You completely missed the point.

    So now there WERE planes. WTF? Will you stick to a position for once! It's like arguing with a kid who makes it up as they go along.

    There were planes...no, there were no planes...there was thermite...no, there were nukes...there were no nukes...nukes were used in conjunction with thermite...no evidence for both...it was conventional explosives, and there were no planes...but there is no noise so it can't be conventional explosives...Thermite!!!!

    (*)(*)(*)(*) me! You guys have no idea.
     
  3. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    its really not required work to get a phd you know.

    probability of molten steel 99.999 compared to probability of anything else .001 of course that wont stop you from pretending you have a serious argument.
     
  4. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    just presenting it in a manner he is capable of understanding. otherwise a brick of c4 between a barrel of fuel oil and the a wall will do the same thing. pathetically simple really..


    yeh it would only take a couple hundred gallons of fuel oil spread out in 50 gal drums on one of the empty floors to get the effects we seen.
     
  5. Blues63

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    MOD EDIT - Rule 3

    But owing to the lack of evidence, they can be discounted. Next.

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    That was an 'interesting' justification for your continued use of conflicting hypotheses. Of course I have no reason to believe a word of it.
     
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    Blues63 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are back on ignore for your incessant nonsensical responses. Please send the other guy back, he's far more articulate and reasonable than you. I prefer to engage whoever takes the other shift on your profile. You do not debate.
     
  7. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    To me, it seems the liquefied metal flowing out before the collapse is interesting, but that's about all.

    The molten iron in the belly of the buildings is much more curious, mainly because those hot spots were visible from satellites overhead, and the stuff persisted for about 3 months.
     
  8. Blues63

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    Yes, far too much speculation on that to be of any use.

    I too would like to know the temperatures produced by convection in the pile.
     
  9. sunnyside

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    You know, there should be thermite or evidence of thermite in the WTC fires. Thermite has a number of forms but the most common is just aluminum and iron (with one, the other, or both being oxidized depending on if it's before or after the reaction). Those would have been intermingled in the fire.

    Actually aluminum doesn't even need the rust to react, that just lets it react without having to rely on the atmosphere. Aluminum just plain can ignite in air. In a quick search I'm having difficulty finding full text on the temperatures, and the temperature depends heavily on the size of the aluminum bits, but it seems ignition should have been easily possible in the expected office combustibles fire to say nothing of the conditions that may have existed during the initial impact and subsequent fireball.

    Iron burns too, that's what rust is, and it accelerates from there. And again you can buy some pure steel in the form of steel wool and light it up at room temperature with a simple lighter.

    Those reactions are quite energetic.

    I think that indicates the pile formed quite the furnace. Not as purpose made as what our ancestors used to melt steel using charcoal, but hundreds of thousands of times larger.
     
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    Well, think of a Roman kiln. It could easily reach 2200 degrees C to fire stoneware. What was the pile if not a gigantic kiln?
     
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    truthers rely on lack of evidence rather than what the real evidence shows ...
     
  12. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    I find it hard to believe that office fires 8 or 900 feet in the air could cause molten iron in the belly for 90 days. I find it hard to believe that office fires could cause the air to be as noxious as the air emitted from an industrial stack. That, according to Thomas Cahill after sampling the air nearby.
     
  13. Kokomojojo

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    Explosives powerful enough to cut thirty inch wide six inch thick steel columns non-subterranean would have opened up and destroyed the slurry walls.

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    as it was they blew out the lobby windows!


    Posers dont listen to the facts because they cant pose if they do since the facts destroy their crazy invisible forge theories.
     
  14. Kokomojojo

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    the gubmint are the liars not truthers.
     
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    They didn't stop burning after the collapse and the pile acted as a huge kiln. Let's just state at the outset that among the witness testimony 'steel', 'iron' and 'metal' are often interchangeable as the witnesses had no real idea what they were looking at.

    In addition, 9/11 truth hangs on this as proof of thermite, but a thermitic reaction is almost instant, and metals begin to cool immediately after application. Therefore, the use of thermite is not supported by the molten metal canard, and 9/11 truth are unable to give an adequate explanation as to why they consider one to be evidence of the other.

    I, personally don't find the fact that the pile burned underground for a considerable period all that incredible. Refuse dumps can burn underground for years.
     
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    yeh right, thermetic reactions do not result in molten metal as its residue does it? :icon_picknose:

    Here is a tutorial to demonstrate the difference between melting aluminum and steel. Try and see if you can pick which one that most closely matches the residue of a thermetic reaction.... There will be a test at the end.

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    what are the odds this is molten aluminum below?

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    oh yeh see thats got it man, looks just like aluminum doesnt it? :sleeping:



    I, personally don't find the fact that the pile burned underground for a considerable period all that incredible. Refuse dumps can burn underground for years.


    So you think iron and cement is a good source of fuel to keep this kiln of yours going. :icon_picknose:

    I know you dont believe what you post.
     
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    Read my post again to find out why you got the wrong end of the stick yet again. See the bit about cooling immediately. Your comprehension is dismal!

    See this bit:

    "but a thermitic reaction is almost instant, and metals begin to cool immediately after application."

    This bit is important. Try reading for a change and stop wasting my time with stupid nonsense. Bring the other guy back! He doesn't straw man and he can read.

    There is no connection between thermite and metal being molten in the pile after several weeks. That's stupid for the reason above. God you post tediously stupid rubbish. It's like talking to a toddler.
     
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    Oh so then you want everyone to believe that you uncovered this huge conspiracy against the gubmint by the public? That the head engineer that built the place and the firemen and emt's were all part of a huge public conspiracy against the gubmint when 3 weeks later they all said there were pools of molten and flowing steel.

    So
    1) what does your armchair tell you was yellow hot and flowing and
    2) if it was not thermate what caused the molten steel.
    3) why would the gubmint pretend about something so obvious?
    4) why would posers lie about something so obvious and call the people that actually seen it liars.
    5) why should anyone believe your arm chair musings?

    caveat; something believable not the crazy wtc turned into or forge kiln comedy. No one with an ounce of brains buys the posers kiln forge or theory since in both cases cement and steel is not a very good fuel. Unless of course you can produce evidence to prove those crazy theories you guys keep coming up with.

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    Why would molten iron be coming out there if thermite was used on the core columns? That isn't near the core at all. If thermite was used to cut the core and some supposedly came out there shouldn't there be other spots it came out as well?

    One spot?

    Why would cement and steel need to be a fuel? No office products in that building? Yet I am supposed to believe that there was office products where the aircraft hit and the bulk of the fire is those products but none of those products in the rest of the building?

    Do you even think before you type at all?

    And didn't Dr Jones tell you that nano thermite was supposedly an explosive?
     
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    What is the weight of the largest piece of steel a blacksmith would work on a forge? What would be the weight of the smallest piece of structural steel in the WTC?

    And the steel in the WTC would be connected to other pieces of steel to conduct heat away and black smiths use forced air to get more oxygen to the fire. How good was the convective air flow in the WTC?

    psik
     
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    This was a kiln that was rained upon by Mother Nature, had many gallons of water dumped on it by humans, had Pyrocool applied to it, to no avail.

    Office fires cannot collapse buildings, and it cannot cause the damage observed. The NIST report is a huge cover-up.
     
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    Office fires have ultimately resulted in the collapse of such buildings many times so yes they can.

    This has been proven to you many times over with specific examples so your fib is childishly wrong.

    You have zero evidence that the nist report is a cover-up.
     
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    Well I'm sorry to tell you Soupy, but in my time here your credibility is very poor, and this claim regarding buildings that have collapsed from fires is your crowning achievement.
     

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