BMW Ends ICE Production in Germany! Mercedes?

I never referenced any such thing. In Massachusetts v. EPA, the Supreme Court ruled that EPA had the authority to regulate CO2 as a pollutant despite it never being mentioned under the Clean Air Act.

Ande the dumb bit about burning oil being responsible for healthcare costs is pure baloney manufactured by economists who needed the work. It's a long standing fiction that has been used to attack the automotive industry for decades.

And you're welcome to go to any sources you want. I prefer to know what I'm talking about.

My employers know better than to say anything that pisses off the EPA. They literally have a mandate that can put a manufacturer out of business before the ink on any countersuit is even dry. I've been in that room. It's not comfortable. But I guarantee you, if Loper Bright Enterprises v. Raimondo crushes Chevron deference, it'll be party time in the executive suites.

 

That doesn't really mean much.

Knowing how much they actually get (according to Edmunds) would be the important point.

And, it would be best to cross check that.

 

That doesn't make sense to me.

The extra few minutes one has to wait to charge is hardly a justification for buying, insuring and maintaining a second car for long trips.

Can you cite your source?

Are you sure you don't just mean that some two car families bought an EV?

 

Customers are in the business of moving freight and doing other work as economically and price competitively as possible. That won't happen with EVs. To start with EVs are substantially heavier than ICE trucks and being able to carry as much paying stuff as possible within the various weight limit restrictions is vital to a trucking company. So whatever weight is gained in the truck itself is paying freight lost.

And I believe Michigan is still the only state that allows triples on the interstate. I grew up there. There are no Rockies in Michigan.

And because EV semis are brand new technology, nobody knows what the electricity and maintenance costs (and repair and durability costs, etc., etc.) will be on the road. Or off the road. Or anywhere else heavy duty goes to do work.

And finally, who's going to work on your broke down Tesla semi in winter in Montana?

 

And I believe the best selling vehicle in this country is still the F-Series truck. Comfortable, big (at one point women really loved that because they can see over traffic. Maybe they still do), plenty of utility when you need it, comparatively safe, a crew cab can haul 5 comfortably, 7 if you're family, etc. Even if you never use it to haul anything, still makes a ton of sense just in case you need to.

 

My wife and I have 2 cars. Mine is an F150, hers is a Jeep Renegade. Mine hauls anything from trees to flooring to topsoil. 2017 with 112,000 miles on it. Hers used to be used to drive to work until she was allowed to permanently work from home. Now it's used to drive to the store and take the dogs to the park. 2019 with a whopping 16,000 miles on it. The case could be made that hers could be an EV.

If somebody wanted to risk certain death by suggesting it that is. Just because one can doesn't mean one should.

 

But that is America - as the video hilariously showed that is not Europe and the OP was about Europe. Don’t measure the rest of the world by your standards

 

If it is only to drive to the store then an EV would do the trick. A lot of American homes have 2 cars no reason why one cannot be the town runabout and given how cheap EVs are to run welll, it’s a winner…..

 

Not for any normal person I know.

 

Again don’t judge the rest of the world by America.

 

Yes, and my post that you quoted was about America too. So maybe you can quit commenting on America.

 

Hmmm yeerrrrssss and? All that proves is Teslas are crap

 

So far this year, the Tesla Model Y is the highest selling car in the world.

The very good ICE F-150 doesn't own that title anymore, nor does Corolla or Rav 4.

EVs have been moving toward covering the price ranges of new cars. There is reasonable price parity for the same level of luxury and performance. EV manufacturers are NOT going to ignore what the market wants. One has to remember that the EV industry is still new and starting up auto manufacturing is incredibly expensive. Ask Ford.

Tesla has outdone automobile manufacturing automation of others, and thus they make a good profit on their cars - as opposed to US legacy auto manufacturers who have to sell EVs at al loss. No matter what Ford and others say, they can not continue spending the billions they have borrowed to start selling EVs. So, they have said they are slowing down - probably by claiming that EVs don't sell, or whatever.

 

They are making semis that cost less to own and are profitable for a significant amount of trucking.

Some are starting to buy these instead of diesels.

Did you see that coming?

 

A Tesla semi truck is in the range of diesels - 40k to 60k lbs., depending on the range you choose.

There are 10 states that allow triples. Oregon is one I know about, as my wife and I drive between San Francisco and Seattle every few months.

I'm not claiming the Tesla Semi will pull a load over the Siskiyou summit. But, I don't believe trucking is a one size fits all situation.

 

BWAHAHAHAAA

ODDS are that 90+% of ALL noncommercial driving is just LOCAL RUNABOUT. Most people FLY for longer trips. The real NICHE is actually the "towers and haulers".

HILARIOUS!

 

Latest CATL batteries can provide a 500 mile range with a 12 minute recharge time.

 

The Landrover Defender can be configured as a pickup but aside from that I am drawing a blank.

 

Yes, we have common cause and we control who we buy from and who we boycott.

If we had an informal internet based "All-Others Workers Union" that anyone can join and there are no dues just a willingness to advance the cause through knowledge and nonviolent action such as boycotts. Then the members could group themselves by interests and establish strategies to deal with those issues. Then when they wanted support for an action that message would go to all members. Just imagine if it was a retailer and the message was boycott on Black Friday the impact of a million members and their families shopping elsewhere could be the difference between meeting and not meeting sales expectations. That sort of indicator gets picked up very quickly by the Wall Street Casino Banksters and they will sell the stock knowing that it won't meet annual goals.

We need to be creative and strategic and come up with a new means for Worker Unity.

 

He is NOT speaking for America, just a small SUBSET that has a VESTED interest in ICE technology, the rest of us will buy what we can afford and judging what I am seeing in China there are going to some very nice affordable runabouts available soon.

 

Who appointed you as SPEAKER for ALL Americans?

 

Who appointed you as speaker for any Americans?

 

They're still batteries. Same inherent weakness.

 

I'll let you know when I finally see one on I-81.

 

Only ONE of us is PRETENDING that they speak for all Americans and we BOTH know that it is NOT me.