BRAKING NEWS: 60 Russian TANKS in 30 kilometer from Mariupol/WW3?

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    freemarket New Member Past Donor

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    Dr. Roberts was awarded the Treasury Department’s Meritorious Service Award for “his outstanding contributions to the formulation of United States economic policy.”

    In 1987 the French government recognized him as “the artisan of a renewal in economic science and policy after half a century of state interventionism” and inducted him into the Legion of Honor.

    He is listed in Who’s Who in America and Who’s Who in the World.


    Tributes:



    Monday, June 13, 2011
    10 Most Influential People in the Alternative Media (2011)
    Many readers will expect to see Matt Drudge or Arianna Huffington on this list. Although they both indeed have leading Internet news websites that cover some fringe stories and report on systematic injustices more so than the mainstream media, they primarily aggregate mainline news. Therefore, they are excluded from our “alternative media” label.
    The criteria we’ve chosen to base these rankings of the most influential alternative media figures are the following;

    people that have the courage to seek the truth no matter where the information leads them;
    those with the courage to question 9/11;
    those who don’t buy into the false left-right political paradigm;
    those who are grounded in peace and liberty;
    those with the communication skills and platform to affect real change.
    Significantly, each of the people who made our list is clearly driven by unyielding passion. Despite some natural disagreements, they each provide a unique bridge to forbidden knowledge and they all deserve high praise for their efforts and commitment to inform the public. Sincerely, it is very encouraging to have so many talented voices leading the stampede for truth, liberty, justice, and peace.

    With so many people doing great work in the real alternative media, we are sure that some deserving reporters will be left off the list. Although Activist Post has forged relationships with some of the people on this list, we’ve tried to remain as non-biased as possible in our observations. At the end, we’ve also included a list of those who deserve honorable mention for their tireless work and talent providing the truth.
    10. Dr. Paul Craig Roberts: Paul Craig Roberts is one of the most respected columnists in the alternative media. His syndicated articles can be seen on many leading alternative news websites including Lew Rockwell, Infowars, Counterpunch, InformationClearingHouse and countless others. Roberts scores huge points in the credibility department having been the former head of policy at the Department of Treasury under Reagan, and the editor of the Wall Street Journal — among a long list of other accolades. His research is impeccable and his vision of how the world really operates is second to none. He knows why and when the global chess pieces are moving, and has the incredible talent to communicate difficult concepts to the general public. He has written several books including The Tyranny of Good Intentions and How the Economy was Lost. His many interviews can be seen on Russia Today and Prison Planet TV. Roberts is also a recent contributor to Gerald Celente’s esteemed Trends Journal. There is no one better at reporting the reality of geo-political events and the workings of the Treasury and the Federal Reserve.

    From the intellectual Left


    25 September 2010
    Empire Burlesque

    Chris Floyd’s Tribute to Paul Craig Roberts
    From the religious Right

    The Wanderer, The National Catholic Newspaper
    The “True Opinion” Of Paul Craig Roberts
    By JUDE P. DOUGHERTY

    Paul Craig Roberts may be remembered, if for no other reason than for the title he used for his farewell syndicated column: “Truth has fallen and taken liberty with it.” (1) Although syndicated as a newspaper columnist, Roberts was primarily an economist in the mold of Von Mises. The holder of a Ph.D. from the University of Virginia, a degree capped with advanced study at the University of California, Berkeley, and Merton College, Oxford, he served during the Reagan administration as assistant secretary of Treasury. At one time he was an associate editor and columnist for the Wall Street Journal and for a decade wrote as a columnist for the Scripps Howard News Service. He was carried in 300 newspapers. Those credentials apart, he is the author or coauthor of eight books, notably The Tyranny of Good Intentions (2006), How the Economy Was Lost (2010), New Color Line: How Quotas and Privilege Destroy Democracy (1997). Those titles alone would indicate the direction of his thought and how he became anathema within elite intellectual circles and eventually was all but silenced by the mainstream media.

    Whether writing as an economist or as a commentator on social issues, Roberts writes in a domain where demonstration is rare or impossible. In reading him one is reminded of Plato’s discussion in the Meno, where after introducing the notion “true opinion,” Plato has Socrates speak of the value of such knowledge. True opinion, although supported by fact, falls short of demonstrative knowledge but is nevertheless required by him who would govern. “Men,” says Socrates, “become good and useful to states not only because they have knowledge, but because they have right opinion.” (2) The contribution of Roberts to political and social discourse can without doubt be called “true opinion” and valued in the Platonic sense. Pope Benedict XVI advanced a similar notion in his address to the World of Culture meeting in Venice: Rejecting the notion that European culture is “liquid,” he affirmed that cultural and economic decisions depend on one’s historical insight. “Men and women are free to interpret and give meaning to reality,” but in doing so, they “must not be afraid of the Gospel.” (3)

    With Roberts, there is never any difficulty discerning what he holds to be true on any topic he chooses to address, i.e., foreign policy, multiculturalism, affirmative action, subprime mortgages, derivatives, globalization, national identity, immigration policy, the secularization of America, or the tyranny of Brussels over the member states of the European Union. Roberts speaks clearly with a wisdom rooted both in scholarship and experience. Anyone who has followed his work has found there a coherent social philosophy indebted to the time-transcendent sources of Western culture. In an essay published on Christmas Day, 2003, he wrote: “There is plenty of room for cultural diversity in the world, but not in a single country….All Americans have a huge stake in Christianity. Whether or not we are individually believers in Christ, we are beneficiaries of the moral doctrine that has curbed power and protected the weak….Power that is secularized and cut free of civilizing traditions is not limited by moral and religious scruples.” (4)

    Multiculturalism and group rights based on victim status, Roberts is convinced, are eroding equality in law and free speech. “Both the United States and Europe now have crimes of opinion. Americans and Europeans are subject to arrest and imprisonment for words judged offensive to the therapeutic state. The frightening departure from Western tradition is justified in the name of curtailing hate and advancing human rights.” (5)

    In The New Color Line Roberts argues that the United States took a wrong turn when the Supreme Court decided to forcefully impose integration on the country. (6) In doing so it discarded the fundamental presumption of any democratic order, namely, good will among the citizens regardless of race, class, or color. Without good will there is no basis for uniting different people under democratic self-rule.
     
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    Settle down and give an example. You must be a Goebbel fan.
    If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it ...
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    You probably think it is Russia shelling them don't you?
    :roflol:
     
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    Wait a minute. Let us go back to the threat. Only 60 tanks? Why so few? Russia did not have more tanks to teach Kiev a lesson? Separatists got more tanks from the surrendered Maidan army.
     
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    Ironic, as the Russians had a military alliance with the Nazis for two years and helped the Nazis destroy Poland.
     
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    The Evils Dr. Roberts sees,
    are the Evils that you speak for
    It is no wonder you don't like the man
    He EXPOSES what you stand for



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    Kiev Coup is Collapsing

    Once again we see Western aggression leaving nothing but death, destruction and broken states in its
    wake. There is the old saying that we all are supposed to learn from our mistakes in life, but that is a dead
    cliché now. We do just the opposite by repeating them over and over. How stupid is that?

    The Kiev Coup-meisterings are staggering around like a Spanish bull at the end of a Sunday fight, tired
    and bleeding. They seem to have no strategy other than lie after lie, their favorite being “The Russians
    are invading!!” If the military high command had the brains and the guts, they would do a counter-coup,
    crush the Right-Sector and the Oligarchs, and save what is left of the country. How do I know they don’t
    have the guts? If they did, they would have done it already.

    The West has pulled out all the stops to hide what is happening. Corporate media has gone propaganda
    all way in this fiasco. Kiev’s under-reporting of its killed and wounded has set a world record. Palace
    guard troops seem to be outfitted well and can fight accordingly. The regular units have Soviet-trained
    officers.

    The Right Sector battalions seem to prefer fighting unarmed civilians, and of course shelling them. When
    they are attacked, they give ground while retreating to the nearest regular army unit for support. The
    National Guard units seem to be on the end of the supply chain and with corresponding morale to show
    for it. I watched one video of a soldier demonstrating how to dress, roast and eat a snake. But frankly, I
    prefer the old fashioned lunch box.

    For the units that were sent off on flanking movements with no support, they found themselves getting
    supplied with excuses instead of the needed combat maneuver supplies. The New Republic forces have
    used the expected tactics of attacking supply columns to resupply themselves, while wearing down the
    flanking Kiev forces with harassing attacks and mobile warfare.

    Most of the Ukie formations that have surrendered were doing so when basically out of anyone to fight
    with, or when needing medical care for their wounded. They realized they were being used as sacrificial
    lambs to draw defense troops away from the major cities to make them easier for the main Kiev units to
    take.

    The battle tactics changed when the Donetsk command structure was revamped. It seems all the
    captured Ukie equipment was being refurbished, and new units trained in larger formation tactics needed
    to sustain counterattacks which the smaller units could not. The effects have been devastating, with Kiev
    units that could not withdraw being surrounded, hopefully into submission.

    Kiev’s casualties have been high, and the stories we have about the Ukrainian army field care are just
    horrible — like amputations without anesthetic, and wounded soldiers being exploited to pay for supplies
    and care. Those fortunate enough to have families that could come to get them have brought the stories
    of corruption and incompetency back to the rear areas. The result was the big protests we saw in Kiev
    this week. We even have reports of masses of women lying down in the streets to block convoys.

    In the middle of all of this, Poroshenko invented a new democracy tactic, dismissing Parliament to
    eliminate his opposition. This also killed any official calls for investigations into the ongoing strategy
    debacle. Entire brigades have started to desert now, with the Palace Guard special forces (who have not
    been fighting) being sent out to try to round them up. That is a precursor to a real civil war, if those units
    can get to a supply base.

    The Malaysian MH17 time bomb awaits its day of reckoning. Russia’s UN ambassador Mr. Churkin has
    been taunting Kiev about when do they think they will be able to find and turn over the air traffic control
    tapes of that day. Kiev and some helpers are at the top of the suspect list as the murderers. The US
    joined them as an accessory after the fact by withholding its own satellite images and communications
    intercepts, which everyone knows we have.

    The Netherlands and Malaysia have also done a great disservice to their people through their meek
    response on the non-cooperation of both the US and Ukraine in the investigation. You can add in the
    aviation organizations who filed some paperwork requests and then bowed out of the controversy, as
    they suspect the murders are going to be a big scandal.

    During the entire slaughter of the civilians in the New Republics, not a word of reproach was heard from
    the US or EU to reign Kiev in… eternal shame on them. When Kiev troops found the self-defense forces
    more of a match than they expected, they pulled back to shell and punish the civilian areas in return —
    the tactics of cowards.

    The EU only began to finally show some flexibility, not through any real moral concern of the innocent
    being killed for their poor leadership, but solely due to the blow-back in Europe from the food sanctions.
    The business community is on the war path, and new concern has been shown for getting the energy
    Gordian Knot addressed before winter comes.

    But the catch there is that Kiev has no intention of paying, as it will be broke when it shells out the $1.5
    billion to get the gas pipelines flowing. Gazprom has been working feverishly to increase supply capacity
    to Europe around Ukraine, which once done, might be a permanent cut off for Ukraine and maybe Poland
    for their sending fighting units to East Ukraine. And the Poles holding up the Russian Defense Minister’s
    plane going through their airspace on Friday was beyond stupid. You just can’t make this stuff up!

    Kiev is walking the tightrope now. With their economy destroyed, they are hemorrhaging what money is
    left. They have not provoked the Soviet invasion that the US really wanted, in order to crank up the
    sanctions wars. And the EU people have now figured out that they were duped by the US — something
    their leaders should all resign for, because it was an astounding betrayal of their own people. This
    scenario reminds me of how Israel has subverted the United States through our Congress.

    Poroshenko needs both massive Western military intervention and the billions that would come with that.
    The US would need a “crisis” to pull that off, despite Obama saying that the US has no military option in
    Ukraine. But desperation can trigger wild gambles.

    Russia removed one option on Friday. If a Western “emergency” intervention was in the cards to save the
    surrounded Kiev troops from slaughter, Putin pulled the rug out from under that. He called for safe
    passage to Russia for the surrendering Ukraine troops so they could return home to their families. You
    can just image the effect that will have on the hate-Russia campaign in Kiev if that comes to pass.

    On Thursday, I did my first Russia Today TV show on Peter Lavelle’s CrossTalk, where Ukraine and its
    economy was the main topic. I reviewed how Putin had put out the numbers this week that if Ukraine
    completed the EU free trade association agreement, it can kiss goodbye to all the Russian subsidies.
    Over ten years they are estimated at $200 billion total.


    But there is a catch. Ukraine will not have $20 billion a year from its budget to lose. There is only one
    source to soak up the red ink, the Western taxpayers, and they sense the handcuffs being prepared for
    them already. We could see some major destabilization of Europe before this is all over.

    But, as Victoria Nuland uttered the famous last words “F—k the EU”, that also might boomerang around.
    Ukraine is the EU Tar Baby big time now, and as winter comes near, the situation will be much worse.
    The Donetsk Forces are clearing the coastal area from the Russian border to Crimea. Mariupol is under
    siege now, with the oligarchs and big wigs having left the town to some sacrificial troops to hopefully get a
    massacre out of.

    With that port open, fuel supplies will be assured for Donetsk and Lughansk for the winter, with the
    Russian navy covering their backs to the sea. If Kiev thinks it is going to play hardball, wait until it hears
    Old Man Winter laughing.

    And if Obama somehow gets the EU to go along with new sanctions, purely for spite and cover for the
    their Ukraine mess, the EU auto workers and suppliers will be taking that counter sanction hit this winter
    If that happens, we could see an interesting European Spring


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    under attack. Now
     
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    If Mariupol is under attack, then Poroshenko must have broken the truce. Obviously he was encouraged by the applause of the U.S. Congress to kill more Ukrainians...both Russian civilians and more soldiers from Galatia. I mean let's face it, the less people in Ukraine, the more land for fracking and GMO's, as well as more money in the hands of the oligarchs. :nod:
     
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    are you high again?
    Mariupol all this time was under ukrainian jjurisdiction.
    Study this thread before
     
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