Breaking Current Event California Makes Elective Reparative Therapy Illegal

NARTH is hardly credible in the eyes of other mental health organizations.

 

So you are in favor of government mandates to force teachers to read a specific book? How.....telling.

I encourage any adult to read "The Mayor of Castro Street"- it is a well written account of the story of the oppression of Gay Americans from about 1940 until the death of Harvey Milk. It is not appropriate for young children to read as it discusses sex and rather horrifying violence against gays.


In fact, I think I'm going to take steps to see that a bill is introduced there to make the staff's reading of that book in each school a mandate. After all, it will help them teach the kids about Harvey Milk, right?

" don't you think fully informed teachers is a good idea?"

A fully informed teacher is a great idea. Mandating reading not so much. I would encourage any teacher who decides to participate in Harvey Milk Day activities to read the book. Since the law does not mandate any such participation, I don't see any need to mandate what teachers have to read. Thats the whacky libertarian in me.

You are the one claiming that this is about 'minor's rights- but the very group promoting this says this is about 'parents rights'. They don't mention minor rights. As far as they are concerned this is against the rights of parents to determine whether their children must go to therapy to change their sexual orientation.

While you have yet to demonstrate this has anything to do with 'minor's rights. This is all about parents having the choice of forcing 'treatment' on their children being removed- and NARTH opposes that.

 

What on earth are you making up now?

Seriously, calling me dishonest when you repeatedly lie about what Randy Shilts has said, when you repeatedly lie about Milks having sex with 16 year old McKinley in California is rather ironic.

But if you think I was being dishonest- lay it out- don't just hide behind implying it.

 

You've heard of a teaching credential I presume? All sorts of books were mandated for teachers before they could ever take a job. Why should the subject of Harvey Milk and exhaustive knowledge of what he stood for be suddenly taboo when teachers are required to be proficient in what they are teaching?

Seems you're a little worried about teaching staff being required to read The Mayor of Castro Street, The Life and Times of Harvey Milk. After all, it is THE biography of Harvey Milk. You don't like the idea....odd. It seems perfectly reasonable to me for teachers to be thoroughly acquainted with what they're teaching. Why would anyone suggest otherwise?

Answer that question and you'll get the entire crux of the Havey Milk promotional debacle....and to layers of the GLBT movement you never imagined existed....

In fact, you might even get to the layer that defines why the gay agenda seeks to urge the government to make it a matter of law for kids with UNWANTED [THEMSELVES] homosexual compulsive behaviors, even if they result from same-gender molestation imprinting, to not be able to access therapy that helps them rid themselves of their unwanted compulsive behaviors. It's just fine to aide a child to become gay from the straight camp; but ist verboten to aid a child in the opposite direction. There's your machiavellian horror right there...mind control... and the removal of autonomy in minors to determine their own sexual destiny.

 

They're not a movement.

A "movement" implies that it's something new.

They're just people...like you and I.

 

Revealing how gays insist that mental health organizations, those who define and treat mental disorders are the ultimate authority on what it is to be gay.

 

Do you believe NARTH is truly credible?

 

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Narth is not a mental health organization. It is a phychologically dangerous hyper Christian voodoo snake oil sales business.

Narth does not define mental disorders, nor have they successfully been able to prove they've treated any.

The ultimate authority on what it is to be gay, is the God who makes them, and the gays themselves.

 

You are correct.

 

Yes, it's much better to have gays and lesbians in laymen positions dictating to psychologists what they can and cannot treat in their patients who want treatment. Even if a child wants to kill himself from unwanted homosexual compulsions that arise from having been molested...so be it. Collateral damage GLBTs are willing to risk to preserve the ranks of the gay.

That's not voodoo snake oil. That's politically-correct "science" and medicine... I'd take NARTH over that any day of the week. At least NARTH believes that a patient should be able to decide to stay gay or not, according to their own autonomous decision..

 

If a person is unhappy with their sexuality or is suffering from trauma of the past... then sure, they should seek therapy.

But any notion that a person should be treated just because they happen to be "homosexual" is both ludicrous and bigoted.

 

It's too bad NARTH hasn't shown any success at doing so

 

NARTH is about treating homosexuality as a mental disorder. Changing sexual orientation doesnt neccesitate treating the original sexual orientation as a mental disorder. This legislation sets up the absurd situation where parents bringing a son with questionable sexual orientation for counseling CAN be advised to immediately begin hormone therapy to prevent the onset of male puberty, so he can remove his male genitalia when hes 18 yrs old and live as a woman. But he could NOT be advised that his feelings of homosexual attraction might not be due to an inherent sexual orientation but instead his history of sexual abuse by men. Especially considering that

 

There's the answer, right there.

 

And what are your views on government actually mandating by law that therapy for minors be limited to helping them to become happy with their sexuality and prohibiting anything that might be viewed as "sexual orientation change efforts", even if thats what the patient is seeking.

 

Well, since my whole moral system is based on the teachings of Gene Roddenberry as a result of watching hours upon hours of Star Trek, may I suggest that you watch the Star Trek: The Next Generation episode called "The Outcast"? It has a very interesting twist on Reparative Therapy. If you don't have access to any ST:TNG episodes, you can read a plot synopsis (SPOILER ALERT) on Wikipedia.

 

Well, you need to show or prove more about this "mandate" itself.

But in general, I wonder HOW any reputable therapist could/would offer "sexual orientation change efforts", since they already know that attempts to 'alter' a person's sexual orientation, is mainly a negative/risky thing.

As I sit here and think about what I've been through and what others have experienced that I know (or have known of)... and it makes all the sense in the world to help people be happy with their sexual-orientation.

We may not know the absolute causes of homosexuality, but we know that it is REAL and surely a significant portion of any person's identity as a human being. Yes, there is certainly more to it than many would admit to themselves; still, that is why it's nothing to play with... imagining we can flick it like a switch. That just isn't realistic.

I can see why a state would lean in favor of the best "science", in any case.

 

Ah! You havent even read the bill yet.

 

Correct. The bill says that even if the child wants the therapy, outside anything any parent or other adult might be trying to coerce them to do, the child himself is to be denied, as a matter of law, therapy to change his own sexual destiny. There are not cicumstances cited where there are any exceptions to this. Also if BOTH the child AND the parents want this therapy for the child, even if the child is experiencing his own unwanted sexual compulsions stemming directly from being molested, that child may not get therapy to control his own sexuality or mold it as he sees fit.

What I've nicknamed this bill is "the molestation mandate". It is quite simply a law that says if a homosexual predator has successfully molested you at a vulnerable age and imprinted you with homosexual compulsive behaviors, you are from that point on his constant and ever-victim. You are a member of "the collective" and may never leave. That a person still may seek therapy once 18 is the salt in the wound. The more time that goes by and the more the compulsions become repetitive, the less likely any success with patient-initiated reparative therapy will happen. And the gays pushing this legislation darn well know this. They have terms in their lingo "to turn". They know about sexual imprinting and have many words to describe it and its lasting effects.

Define "person". Because a "person" under the age of 18 MAY NOT, AS A MATTER OF LAW ONCE THIS BILL IS SIGNED get any therapy that helps them rid themselves of their own unwanted compulsive behavior, even if those compulsions are a daily reminder of suffering molestation as a child at the hands of a same-sexed perp.

To put this in perspective, if this law was enacted in Pennsylvania, the young victims of Jerry Sandusky, should they have unwanted memories and sexual compulsions towards the same gender as a result, may not get therapy to help themselves return to their original desires to be normal young men who go on to raise a family with a wife, like their father, brothers, grandfathers or uncles did. They would have to wait until the ripe old age [formative years wise] of 18 to be allowed to control their own mental health in this regard.

Tell me that isn't machiavellian.

 

Exactly the way things need to be. We don't need a bunch of moral zealots, wielding pseudo-science... damaging people's lives.

 

In any case, we don't need to be playing "witch doctor" on the minds of young people.

If you're homosexual, you need to learn to LIVE with it.

 

I think that the government has a responsibility to protect minors from quack treatments, even if their parents mandate them. So even if a child's parent wants to use mercury as a treatment for a child's near sightedness, I think that the government has a role in protecting a child from such treatment.

By the way- I feel the same way if gay parents were trying to convert their straight child to be a homosexual.

 

Yes, indeed!!

People need to cease 'imagining' that we can change a person's sexual-orientation. Sending a homosexual off to be switched into a heterosexual, is as insanely ludicrous as sending a heterosexual person to be changed into a homosexual.

 

I will say though- I am all for adults being allowed to chose such a treatment for themselves. If an adult wants to get hooked up with electric prods and try to force himself to become attracted to people he is not attracted to- not my problem.

Not children though- adults.