Breaking Current Event California Makes Elective Reparative Therapy Illegal

Since you're familiar with their reputations, please point me in the right direction of a more reputable source so that I might review their findings.

 

Are you lying, or just ignorant?

Here are just a few of the actual statements, which, if you can read, you will find are specifically directed at "efforts to change sexual orientation," and specifically reject or disapprove of those efforts.

The Pan-American Health Organization (regional division of the WHO): "Services that purport to "cure" people with non-heterosexual sexual orientation lack medical justification and represent a serious threat to the health and well-being of affected people"

The American Psychological Association published a 138-page study and report, concluding that, "The American Psychological Association Task Force on Appropriate Therapeutic Responses to Sexual Orientation conducted a systematic review of the peer-reviewed journal literature on sexual orientation change efforts (SOCE) and concluded that efforts to change sexual orientation are unlikely to be successful and involve some risk of harm, contrary to the claims of SOCE practitioners and advocates."

The American Medical Association, "opposes, the use of "reparative" or "conversion" therapy that is based upon the assumption that homosexuality per se is a mental disorder or based upon the a priori assumption that the patient should change his/her homosexual orientation."

The American Academy of Pediatrics states, "Therapy directed specifically at changing sexual orientation is contraindicated, since it can provoke guilt and anxiety while having little or no potential for achieving changes in orientation."

No less an expert on the human mind than the American Psychiatric Association says, "As a general principle, a therapist should not determine the goal of treatment either coercively or through subtle influence. Psychotherapeutic modalities to convert or "repair" homosexuality are based on developmental theories whose scientific validity is questionable. Furthermore, anecdotal reports of "cures" are counterbalanced by anecdotal claims of psychological harm. In the last four decades, "reparative" therapists have not produced any rigorous scientific research to substantiate their claims of cure. Until there is such research available, APA recommends that ethical practitioners refrain from attempts to change individuals' sexual orientation, keeping in mind the medical dictum to First, do no harm."



Now, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you were just ignorant of these statements, and not intentionally lying, for now.

None of this is any evidence that sexuality is a choice. Somehow you managed to read this good information and come to a completely wrong result.

The sources you quote are not, in any way, implying that sexuality is a choice. What they are saying is that we have innate sexuality, and that sexuality is not two dichotomous opposites of "gay" and "straight." There is a continuous spectrum, and where a person falls on that spectrum between 100% gay and 100% straight is an innate trait, not a choice. The only "choice" is how a person chooses to act, or not act, on their innate tendencies.

 

Great post!!

 

Hey, look! The choir is agreeing with itself!

Let's trust them, in spite of what we see right before our eyes.

This debate isn't and never has been about whether or not sexual orientation is a choice. In the case of molestation, the resulting compulsive behaviors have nothing to do about a child's autonomous choice about his sexual orientation. They are merely manifestation of PTSD surrounding the molesting event. The more often a child was stimulated and achieved orgasm sexually around the same-gendered perp, the more likely he will be afflicted with homosexual compulsive PTSD.

And soon it will be illegal to help that child be rid of his own unwanted PTSD behaviors that immediately place him mentally back in the scenario of abuse he suffered, via association.

Imagine a political group dictating to medical professionals how they may treat their patients? Even if these PTSD survivors are suicidal, a therapist's only "legal" choice is to tell that child to "embrace your new sexual urges". This means that gay activists are actually FOR so-called "gay teen suicide" indirectly.

Gay acitivists responsible for this law in California are the uber-hypocrites. On the one hand they scream bloody murder at the idea of anyone suggesting that sexual autonomy should be regulated. On the other hand they're up to their elbows in pushing through legislation aimed at removing sexual autonomy from minors if that autonomy includes their choice to not be gay.

 

You might have a point if repairative therapy was an accepted discipline by the APA, or the psychiatric/psychology community....and also if repairative therapy had shown any significant long term effectiveness..........that might help you have a point.

But repairative therapy is quackery...so you don't have a point.

We shouldn't allow irresponsible and damaging pseudo medicine, like bloodletting, drowning the demons out of the possessed, shaking garlic around, and repairative therapy

 

No, it absolutely will not.

Once again, there is absolutely nothing in this law that changes the ability of mental health providers to treat victims of sexual absue.

You continue to lie about this law because your own (previously admitted) personal experience in this area has given you a skewed perspective. This board isn't here for you to work out your issues. It's here for legitimate debate. Time to move on.

 

Fool! Your exerpts only confirm my statements. They examined specific therapies used in the past.

 

Much like gender reassignment therapies that show no long term effectiveness. Most therapies used in the psychology profession have no science to back them up.

 

Actually this would prohibit by law any therapy that could be viewed as efforts to change sexual orientation.

 

It's not the voluntary "gender reassignments" that are in question here.

If adults want to undergo voodoo medicine Repression Therapy, which won't help them cope with burrying their true sexual orientation...that's their right to seek it out, just like it's their right to smoke or drink to excess.

But for minors...they will allways need parental permission to undergo, or not undergo, Repressive Therapy. In almost all cases...it will not be voluntary, but rather forced upon gay children, molested or not, by insane homophobic parents, and/or the church.

 

It was an analogy to a similiar, treatment, endorsed by the APA, to compare to one the APA criticizes. Neither treatments have any "science" to back them up. No demonstrated effectiveness for either. One is simply , politically correct, the other is not.

Just like gender reassignment treatments beginning as early as 12 yrs old. Another of the many factors that make it such an appropriate analogy. Most of which, coincidentially, are boys, brought by concerned parents to psychiatric professionals because of their boys effeminate demeanor or even engaging in homosexual contact. They can prescribe hormone treatments and surgical gender reassignment but they couldnt prescribe counseling that might change what is perceived to be the sexual orientation the child was supposedly born with because he likes giving the neighbor boy head.

 

Psychiatry is a science, and psychological treatments are evolving all the time. Whether or not procedures and medication have "science" has nothing to do with this argument, because Christians and homophobics, as well as the APA and the medical community, don't have a problem with accepted psychiatric/psychotherpeutic methods of treatment, and are willing to accept the evolving accepted processes of treatment

The only people who don't have a problem with Repressive Therapy...are the homophobics, and bible thumpers who hate gays, or the ones who dispense the dangerous pseudo medicinal Repression Therapy

Just like gender reassignment treatments beginning as early as 12 yrs old. Another of the many factors that make it such an appropriate analogy. Most of which, coincidentially, are boys, brought by concerned parents to psychiatric professionals because of their boys effeminate demeanor or even engaging in homosexual contact. They can prescribe hormone treatments and surgical gender reassignment but they couldnt prescribe counseling that might change what is perceived to be the sexual orientation the child was supposedly born with because he likes giving the neighbor boy head.[/QUOTE]

 

I guess requiring children as a matter of law to emulate a child sex predator is also part of this "evolving psychology"? One man's "evolving psychology" is another man's pedophile-grooming of a whole generation of kids.

You know darn well that a political agenda inserting itself between a doctor and his patient is the most perverse and twisted draconian fascism around. You would not support the fringe-GOP in passing a law teling an OB-GYN what he could and couldn't say to his patients. But here you are defending gay activists insisting as a matter of law on defining what a therapist can work on with his client without any science to back up your claims that "reparative therapy is harmful". It's only harmful if it's forced. If it is the child's OWN CHOICE and the child wants it badly and is suicidal without that choice; then what this law represents is a forced-angst in that child's mind...a stripping away of autonomy. And in the case of a child wanting to be rid of homosexual compulsions from molestation-imprinting from a same-gendered perp, telling that child to "embrace who he is" is like telling him that the abuse that altered him is OK. It really is like telling a PTSD victim of a car crash that the sounds of metal smashing together is "OK, just embrace it".

Anyone behind this law is a sick puppy. Major psychological institutions are fighting it. And they're not all NARTH either..

 

Except in the case of treatments they view to be efforts to change sexual orientation as it relates to a particuliar sex. By law, actually made illegal. You can change your sexual gender but you cant change your sexual orientation

I dont even know what Repressive Therapy even is and certainly havent stated any opinion on such treatments.

 

I agree

Repressive Therapy = Repairative Therapy

 

No, I didn't say that, you did.

No, I didn't say that, you did, and it's high drama drivel.

In the case of Repressive/Repairative pseudo medicine...it's a matter of protecting the public from quacks

Repression Therapy/Repairative Therapy is as harmful as treating cancer with faith healing

A gay child would never seek to become non gay unless they were told by bible thumpers and homophobes that it's a bad thing. Your assertion that gay is caused by molestation is foundationless drivel. I'd bet if you could get actual admit records for minors who undergo Repression Therapy...there would be a fraction of them that may have been molested, which is no different from the general population.

What "Major psychological institutions"?...please do tell.

 

Aaaaaand Ive stated no opinions on Repairative therapy either

 

Ooops...sorry Dix, I mixed you up with Sillouette...my bad.

 

Of course there is no such law.

Just more Silhouette's 'creative' editing.

 

There's no law in California (SB 572, signed into law) setting aside a special day of recognition for Harvey Milk?

“Every May 22, AB 2567 will positively portray to children homosexual experimentation, homosexual ‘marriages,’ sex-change operations, and anything else that’s ‘in the closet.’

I guess people will have to google that to see which one of us is right.

 

School children across California arrive to school on May 22nd, without warning to parents and who may not leave class if they so elect, are forced to witness speakers discussing homosexuality as an identity. This is mixed with "food, fun and games" to associate positive images with the message in childrens' minds. And how is this not indoctrinization?