BREAKING : Florida School shooting, 20 injured.

I wouldn't want to label them "just violent". The consequence might be violent but I prefer to judge them "FRUSTRATED". That, at least, is out of their hands.

 

Why are you concerned with the teachers? It definitely would not have happened if the student were unarmed.

 

Because my opinion is different than yours doesn't make it narrow minded. Mine is a position forged in reality. 1. Laws do not concern the unlawful. 2. The right to keep and bear arms prevents our nation from being subject to tyranical rule. 3. The country is awash in guns, and they cannot be removed, for a variety of reasons.

In this age of technology, you cannot prevent people from having guns. You can only offer deterrence to using them.

 

A temporary arrangement, huh? Wouldn't want to leave the Yankees "in the nude" for too long, especially with Easter just round the corner.

 

Do you mean armed?

 

yeah because its so hard for underage people to get guns on the black market especially ones about to commit mass murder, they especially adhere to laws.

 

Good post mate! I don't envy your position... personally I have no answer in that maybe its about balancing equations. Maintaining a reasonable degree of "freedom" balanced against a reasonable degree of social restraint or control for want of a better word. Life, Liberty and Justice for all...means what to you in this day and age....how do you balance the equation of those three ideas....
How in denying the right of "liberty" in removing weapons does this factor the rights of "Life"? Is "Justice" for the citizenry better served by removing 1 element (weapons) in the right to "Life"? We don't have access to weapons here in the UK in fact I think we have some of the most restrictive gun laws in the world which doesn't mean we live in some kind of utopia, we have crime, we have rape and murder like any other country in the world but systemic gun crime... school mass murders....teaching kids to evacuate schools because of armed intruders...no.

 

Because he's a white convert who isn't very good at spelling?

 

We need asylums again but the left prefer the mentally ill walk among us and rotating in and out of jails. We need armed security in schools but the left have this ridiculous fear of inanimate objects. The NRA already came up with the solution but the left are too far off the reservation to have any real discussion.

And fun fact for you, Soro’s owns guns and ammo companies. He loves the threat of banning guns so people run out and buy them up.

 

I don't know how old you are but I was just thinking... from your personal perspective has your world... I mean the town you grew up in or your neighbourhood...the area you feel "at home" in, has it changed? Would let your kids (if you have kids) do what you did when your were 12?

 

I'm not sure that helps.

 

"For a variety of reasons"? Allow me to put these two sentences of yours together and lend you a hand:

1). SCCY Firearms
2). Ithaca Gun Company
3). Colt firearms
4). FNH USA, LLC
5). Kimber
6). Kahr Arms
7). Ruger
8. Kel-Tec Inc
9). HI-POINT FIREARMS
10). Heritage Manufacturing
11). Charter Arms
12). BOND ARMS, INC.
13). American Derringer
14). B. Searcy and Co
15). Accurate Armory
16). Daniel Defense
17). American Built Arms Co.
18. Battle Rifle Company
19). Big Horn Armory
20). Stag Arms
21). Remington Arms Company, Inc
22). Keystone Sporting Arms, LLC
23). Henry Rifles
24). FNH USA, LLC
25). Smith & Wesson
26). Calico Firearms
27). Ljutic, LLC
28. Knight Rifles
29). Thompson/Center
30). etc.

There are most of your "REASONS". Whew! All of them American manufactured ... and a whole lot of money to be made! Maybe that's what you mean by "cannot prevent people from having them". Consummation is the key to a thriving Capitalist society, eh?

 

I do.

 

Who the F is this “we” you’re referring to? Are you involved in violent acts against people that we should be aware of?

 

I think the point is, these cowardly psychos never attempt a target where someone could be armed. someone shot up a mall and was taken out by a conceal carry holder. my guess, these cowardly murderers will not select a mall in a conceal carry state again.

they select schools because it is a soft target with the most emotional impact on society. my children's school has 3 separate teachers that I would be confident being armed. 1 got their degree through the gi bill and the other 2 are national guard.

 

No, they select the school they themselves attended. What would be the advantage of some guy shooting up Camp Pendleton if the guy has a grudge against Tommy Tucker Junior High School?

 

You're witty, in a third grade way.

 

The place I grew up is turning into a $hit hole. I now live out in the country surrounded by farmland. BTW, I'm 60 now. For better or worse, things were much different when I was 12. In those days you were expected to stay outside most of the day and come back for dinner. I had a .410 shotgun when I hit 12, I played with it once in the house and ended up getting a shotgun shell jammed in it. I thought my father was going to kill me but it turned into a learning experience. I only shot it when hunting with my father. I was 14 when I got a BB gun and took it out nearly every day. At first only to shoot at lead soldiers, later, I was allowed to shoot certain varmints. When I hit 16 or 17, the police started giving me and my friends a hard time about having the BB guns that we took into a swampy area nearby. After getting sent home two days in a row, I never took it back out of the yard. My grandson will be 12 this year. I can't say I did anything at that age that he shouldn't do, just the normal kid stuff. Unlike when I was a kid, my guns are locked up. I do have a pellet gun in my closet but the ammo is out of reach. I doubt he could c*o*c*k it anyway. I try to teach him proper gun safety and never leave him alone with my guns. It might be OK for him to take a BB gun into the woods behind my house, but never carry it through the neighborhood like I use to. A lot has changed, we use to play cowboy and Indians, cops and robbers, and army. Usually had some sort of toy guns and tried to make a bigger bang from caps. These days not so good to carry even toy guns outside of the yard and kids are expected to stay close to home or be under supervision at most times.

 

How The Gun Industry Funnels Tens Of Millions Of Dollars To The NRA
http://www.businessinsider.com/gun-industry-funds-nra-2013-1

Behind the NRA’s Money: Gun Lobby Deepens Financial Ties to $12 Billion Firearms Industry
https://www.democracynow.org/2013/1/16/behind_the_nras_money_gun_lobby

 

I know some people outside the US must consider us savages for "clinging" to our guns. I became very pro gun as a teenager when I first started getting interested in WW II and then saw some of the films of the crimes of the Nazi's. One in particular where naked Jews were forced to run into a ditch and turn in order to be shot in the back of the head. I vowed never to die like a sheep if I could help it.

Some might say that could never happen here, I know it most certainly can. I foresee sometime in the future our society in turmoil, the breakdown of society, and widespread violence. I've heard some say if you disagree with Obama, you are a racist, traitor, or terrorist. I've seen on this forum some who want to do harm to Trump supporters. If there is a breakdown in society there will be scapegoats and someone will be blamed. If it happens before I'm too old, I don't expect to go down easily.

Years ago anti-gun people would say if your home was robbed, just give them what they want and you'll be OK. Statistics showed many were still harmed or killed even when they cooperated. I don't plan to be a sheep for criminals either.

 

Still don't see the NRA selling guns. As far as the millions from the gun industry, they are not allowed to give it to the NRA PAC which is the arm that gives money to politicians and does the lobbying. As even CNN says, that money mostly comes from individuals.
http://money.cnn.com/news/cnnmoney-investigates/nra-funding-donors/index.html

 

So the answer to this is more guns, in more untrained hands......ok...

How about this.....if the shooter didn’t have a gun, then nobody would have needed a gun to protect themselves from his gun right? It’s the very same logic.

 

The NRA IS only about gun sales, not rights. The NRA IS the gun manufacturing lobby. The NRA doesn’t care about your right to protect yourself, they ONLY care about your right to buy a gun. You only need to look at their stance on 3D printing of guns to know this.

 

The point being what precisely? Where does either article indicate that the NRA is in the business of selling firearms, rather than lobbying for firearm-related freedoms?

 

The above is a statement made in ignorance, devoid of anything resembling actual thought.