Brexit--You voted to leave, now go!

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  1. rickysdisciple

    rickysdisciple New Member

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    Sadly, it's true. There are about a dozen people, on this forum alone, who could probably do a better job as dictators than our pathetic government. Some of these supposedly complex, intractable problems could be solved in a matter of a few years with intelligent policy and action--our system of government simply sucks.
     
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    Please do tell Mr more intelligent and powerful, what is best for me?
     
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    Well, if you identify as strongly conservative or liberal, you are most assuredly wrong, so that would be the first step toward learning something useful--start here.
     
  4. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

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    ROFL. I like writing(as you can tell from my posts), maybe I should make a dozier: "What politics should be in America". It'd help us solve a lot of these problems in the country.
     
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    :roflol:

    What politics? Certainly not what we have now! These people are (*)(*)(*)(*)ing buffoons, conservative and liberal--they just don't get it.
     
  6. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

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    Seriously. Watching Marine Le Pen and Nigel Farage was breathtaking. (As breathtaking as reading into Benito Mussolini). In truth, American Politics probably kicked the bed right after the 18th century. After our Founders, we were mostly screwed save for one or two guys(whom I've mentioned often enough). Eisenhower and Kennedy. After that, it went downhill.
     
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    Marine Le Pen would be the greatest leader in our country's history if we could give her the reins--it's ridiculous how much better she would be.
     
  8. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

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    Or hell, import any European into America. A conservative Brit is fundamentally different from a "conservative" American. But that's because their politics deal with real issues and real solutions, not the glorified whining of today.
     
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    Well, judging from the state of Europe, I'm not so sure about that lol.
     
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    Okay, some of them. Many of them have the same failings our current leaders do. But there's some bright stars there. It's no surprise that just like here, the real bright stars are suppressed by ignorance. But this has always been human history. They suppressed Albert Einstein as well.
     
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    I don't identify as much of anything. If i did why would that make me any more or less wrong than you?
     
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    I'm not anywhere near as hopeful as you are, and I primarily study politics for fun, not out of any sense that it actually matters.
     
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    Both are based on arbitrary amalgamations of ideas that have little relation to one another. They aren't systematic ways of understanding the world, but are more like random associations meant to benefit a small number of people.

    I don't really have the time to tell you all the ways I think the two groups are idiotic, but if you observe enough of my posts, I think you'll get the idea--you might even agree with me.
     
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    Humans need money to live, and while I don't intend to extort the system like one Hillary Rodham Clinton, this is one of my best talents outside of writing. But writing a story is ONE thing, it's entirely another to figure out how to publish it(haven't done so yet lol). That's why I do it. And I take interest in it, like you do.
     
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    Sounds like the answer i might have given.

    I don't see the "ideas" so much as idiotic, rather the way folks hang onto them with such blind devotion.
     
  16. rickysdisciple

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    Yeah, it's fun to think of new ideas. Let's call it "theoretical politics" lol. The sad thing is, politics has little to do with building civilization and more to do with allocating power among the greedy.

    Right, it is the people themselves who are the problem, or at least part of it.
     
  17. AmericanNationalist

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    What attracted me to politics as a young child(age 9) before thinking of it as a most dreaded way to live a career life, was that I was enthusiastic about solving problems. I was attracted to the idea of being a philosopher and saw myself along the likes of a James Madison, etc. The Martin Luther's. If I was gifted with an intellectual mind(even if my social skills sucked hard), then it's best to use it.

    But now I realize that having an intellectual mind means, my way of viewing the world will always be different from theirs and as such, I could never truly fit a mold. I know I'd never be happy being a Democrat or a Republican, because it's living life as a lie. They look at problems abstractly, never with a full grasp of the concepts and thus the solutions. They're content living in their own little box.
     
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    Another thing to realize is that it is more important to have parental wealth than to be intelligent. It is also more important to have a stable emotional outlook and sense of purpose. Being smart is but one of many prerequisites to success at a professional level. So many things have to go right, both within you and externally, in order to be successful--parental support is often the determining factor, but other things play a role.

    For example, when I wanted to, I not only had straight A's in college (UT Austin), but I also had the highest grades in my class--perfect scores and (*)(*)(*)(*)ing up the curve were normal for me. I once took a history class in which the average test grade was like a 59, the second highest grade was an 81, and I received a perfect score. I ended up finishing that class with a grade of something like 108. Where did it get me? Nowhere. Actually, it has been a major liability because I end up using my intellect to exacerbate my emotional instability. If I were dumber, I would be aware of fewer things that (*)(*)(*)(*) me off, and then it would be easier to maintain goals over a stretch. Having parental support and some financial stability probably would have worked wonders as well.

    Basically, don't think too highly of your intelligence. In life, it really isn't very important unless everything else goes right. Now, if everything else does go right, then it can become a determining factor. Had I grown up with money and not been so cynical, it could have helped me get into Yale or Harvard law school, but I was never in a position for all of those other things to come together. The reason so many people value intelligence so much is because it is the determining factor for psychologically healthy people with money.
     
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    People who voted to leave showed living under one rule isn't working out so well. The left is afraid others will follow and will demonize and fear monger.

    Some are attacking simply because it's what their party is doing.... parroting the media.
     
  20. AmericanNationalist

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    Lol, yeah I'll admit I have a few screws loose. Hell, you kind HAVE to have a few screws loose to want to look into the depth of things. And you're right, without that base of money and a sane state of mind, it doesn't do much. And thinking of myself as intellectually smart does carry with it, a heavy dose of bias. From my days of being notoriously bullied however, being told that I was worthless, I held onto the idea that I was "smart" to basically survive. To avoid(and I failed to an extent) the kind of depression that made people go off the edge. My life from literally 6-14 was a living hell in of itself. And the teen years weren't that much better, but they were 'better' compared to being physically and verbally abused by teachers, by other kids and basically everyone but grandma.
     
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    Life is SOOOOOOO unfair! Self pity whining is the #1 American hobby. Sounds like it's your favorite too from your messages. Apparently, you are
    not as smart as you brag about. Tens of millions of Americans have successful economic lives and millions have lucratively successful lives - and most did not inherit it. It seems clear that in your self declared great intelligence you concluded that success only comes with the circumstances of birth. Self pity is not smart.
     
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    They were not professional philosophers. Your messages are about foolish and unjustified arrogance and self declared superiority. It is irrational to claim superior intellect while sobbing of a failed life.
     
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    I hear you. I was never abused by people in the traditional sense, but I've felt the effects of corruption and incompetence in this country more acutely than most, so I am not nearly as patriotic or inclined to democracy as most. I think people like us tend to favor harsh authoritarianism because we instinctively understand that, sometimes, people are simply your enemies and need to be crushed--mobs of people are especially dangerous and need to be suppressed. I think it also engenders sadism and less empathy for the powerful, though it heightens empathy for the weak.

    Similarly, I was always smarter than most people around me, so I always fell on that when I compared myself to people of means. Sure, they may have had more money or better lives, but at least I was smarter than they were, right? As I've gotten a little older, I've realized that it is no real consolation, and that it is better to be dumber with money than to be smart and broke lol.
     
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    You are an excellent example of what we are talking about--not terribly bright, but bright enough to make money. You are a perfect demonstration of how simple-mindedness can be a virtue.

    Oh, and the correlation between intelligence and money is very weak for people with IQ's over 100. People in the top 10% of income, on average, only have IQ's of about 110 (68th percentile), which is nothing to be proud of. The point we were making is that success usually doesn't come down to ability.

    Again, cognitive ability and emotional constitution are very different things, but I don't expect you to understand that.

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    Actually, they are totally unrelated. :roflol:
     
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    yep, op had a bad case of sour grapes was my first thought.
     

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