Brexit--You voted to leave, now go!

Academic arrogance ruins many a lives. Our oldest daughter is very intelligent, but not super brainy. Yet she became an academic superstar with piles of honors virtually no other HS student can achieve. Two years science fair winner in entirely different categories. Protocol studies published in scientific journals. Huge grants obtained for her school. A devastating resume of experiences, awards and skills. Yet she wasn't even a 4.0 student, unlike the super brainy "adjusted" 4.68 GPA average students. She excels at all she does. She is tactical. Calculating. Manipulative. Extremely high speaking and people skills.

Here's what she was taught that you never learned. LIFE IS A COMPETITION. A competition with everyone else. About REAL LIFE, not the arrogance of academia's measures of intelligence. Most people who pursue academia futures in your belief in their brilliance tend to have VERY failed lives socially, in relationships and economically.

Of itself, GPA is NOTHING. Grades are NOTHING. What of VALUE, what that is MARKETABLE, what that others NEED, did you pursue learning? What benefits can you offer to other people? What REAL value do you have to any organization or business? There is an endless line of people who think they are brilliant, great philosophers and such - but who wants to hire someone whose only real qualification is arrogantly believing they are superior?

And, people of messages such as yours believe that WORK is below them. Too smart to "work." And tend to pursue NOTHING - figuring all should come to them for their superiority.

There are a million ways to make a million dollars - starting with nothing - and you are apparently not smart enough to even figure out one. So are you really smart?

Intelligent people, regardless of IQ, understand living in REAL LIFE. So, for example, as a comparison to our daughter, you could roll out your high grades, and she only with a 3.86. But she also has a dozen pages each summarizing incredible developed skills, proven real successes, been published and awards after awards. In a competition for a position, you say you had the highest grades in your class. She says "I've been published, I'm government certified to work in any lab, I've supervised employees, I've worked for a stock broker, lectured at international science symposiums to PhDs, and I got my high school a quarter million dollars in grant money.

Who wins? Who do they pick?

What did you LEARN of any value to anyone but your own ego? Seriously, what do you offer? To be the philosopher??? Then write a book selling your brilliant thoughts. Or is that too much WORK?

 

The OP is comical as the EU zippy pinheads are trying to figure any way to force the UK to stay in the EU.

 

Agreed.

Wonderful, I'm glad you're proud of your kid. She seems to be extremely conscientious, probably like you, and it has served her well. This also has almost nothing to do with what I was saying. In fact, if you weren't so determined to derive sadistic pleasure from the misfortune of others, you might have noticed that much of what I said tends to confirm your position. Instead, you prefer to get your rocks off insulting others.

I never said anything about pursuing a career in academia. Yes, life is a competition, to a degree. The extent to which it is a competition varies by context and one's goals--people don't always have the same goals.

I never said GPA was that important. In fact, I was illustrating this point, and you somehow managed to not see that! Are you arguing with me, or someone else?

When the hell did I say work was beneath me? Again, with whom are you arguing, because I'm not seeing how you are addressing anything I said.

You really don't pay attention to anything, do you? The ability to make money and intelligence are not the same thing. Intelligence is but one of many prerequisites. Somehow, you just can't wrap your head around that.

It's hard to compete with children like your daughter when they have parents making sure life is set up perfectly for them. Indeed, I encountered this situation many times in college. I know, you are going to claim that you've done nothing for her and that she is just SOOO amazing, but you would be lying. With your personality and how much time you spend talking about your kid, I can only imagine how much of your life you've dedicated to giving her an edge in life.

Again, here you are making statements that have nothing to do with what I said. I explicitly mentioned that intelligence wasn't the critical factor, and I discussed how psychological health was critical in determining life outcomes. In fact, I was telling AmericanNationalist NOT to overvalue his intelligence because it wasn't what it is cracked up to be.

You know, for someone who is supposedly wealthy and incredible, don't you find it kind of sad that you feel the need to trash people much younger and less successful than you are? You have all this money, and you choose to spend your time on a forum trashing people and spouting nonsense on a regular basis.

 

People are the problem AND the solution. We still have the power, rather we still have the ability to regain the power. I have to question the motives of someone, other than myself of course, who claims to know what is good for all.

The biggest problem is that people are lazy. They have minimal ambition. Folks think they want freedom but really they just want to be comfortable. By and large we are still too comfortable.
Add to that how the power brokers use the media to divide us on an ideological level and it is easy to see how we are where we are.

While some may say the Trump/Sanders phenomenon are an indication that folks are waking up, I can't help but wonder if they are just a pacifier.

 

First, yes we were highly involved in and influential in her life. However, we did not buy her future, though could have later on - though she was also benefited by seeing the hardness of life too. Rather, we tell our children that at 18 they are on their own. OFTEN, as they grow older - we will point to someone working a cash register, working at a C-store, waiting tables, mowing yards and ask "do you want to do that the rest of your life. Most people do. How are you going to avoid that?"

I suspect everyone would benefit by experiencing true desperate financial survival in real terms. No money. No food. No place to live. No one to bail you out. Figure out how to survive, how to literally not die? It will change their perspectives forever and will be MUCH more "intelligent" thereafter, must higher educated than before.

So you likely were handicapped by bad or no parenting for sure. But it isn't because you didn't have rich parents. Just no guidance. But you're an adult now, aren't you?

You also are wrong in that the ability to legally make money, to provide for yourself and your own, is likely THE BEST measure of intelligence. Obviously. The most important intelligence to have is survival skills, wouldn't you say?

Unlike our children, I started with vastly less than you, maybe less than anyone on the forum. Zero formal education. No one and nothing positive. The primary education I had was facing fundamental and the most basic questions of survival. How do I stay alive? I had no teachers. Reality taught me.

The reason I think it is fair to knock you is because you boast of being more intelligent than most people - which is arrogant and unproven - combined with trying to blame others and of life being unfair - and then claiming you don't care for the USA because somehow your superior intelligence by YOUR measure somehow should be providing for you. That's nonsense.

You should think about what you are saying. You are very unhappy with your life despite seeing yourself as highly intelligent, determined to figure out who and what else is to blame. Try to chart that logic out, put it into philosophical premises, and see what you actually come up with. Think it thru. Keep political and ideological slogans out of your calculations. What do you come up with?

Complex thinking often is just cluttered random thoughts jammed together. Keep it simple.

 

Euro Union nation has LOST TRILLIONS with MERKELS Horrendous error.. will she be thrown in jail?

each and every day since the vote.. Uk stock has beat france and germany each day with germany the worst each day

canada will benefit greatly from this as well as america with trading strong with UK.. same with austrailia

for the WEEK after the vote.... UK GAINED 2.6%....all the rest had a minus... France 5.1%.. Germany 5.6%..Spain 8.1%..Italy 9.8%.. Ireland 11.7%...Greece 12.3%... and each of the nordic states in the euro union lost and these will vote to secede from the union and the reason why they lost less..

WHAT a MONSTROUS ERROR by MERKEL...!!!

and how the very young voted shows this issue was a wisdom test for voters.. 75% of 18-25 voted to remain in union which means the others more experienced and wiser voted in a landslide to exit

and the stock markets proves who are the wiinners and losers and also shows if you let unwise people vote a nation WILL BE THE LOSER.. so soon there will be a world wide wisdom test for voters and no more liberalism..

THIS also will bring te conservative states to separate from the liberals states.... WELCOME TO THE CONSERVATIVE STATES OF AMERICA

 

And you admit, because it is proven, that had you not done what you did, your daughter probably wouldn't be anywhere near as successful as she has been? This is not a matter of opinion. We know how important parental income and stable household environments are in determining success--they are causal factors.

Wrong, it usually has a very negative effect on one's life. Being broke and struggling to survive do very little for one's development.

Having two good parents is more important than money--very true. However, income still goes a long way. I've personally seen how big of a difference it can make. It can hide many character flaws that would otherwise sink someone. I have seen many people get through life, despite serious character flaws, because money was available to solve problems for them. I think you know exactly what I'm talking about.

There is no correlation between goal-oriented behavior, or conscientiousness, with intelligence. In fact, some studies even show a negative correlation between conscientiousness and intelligence. If we used goal-oriented behavior and survival as proxies for intelligence, then we would have to cede our crown to mice and cockroaches, who are far better at surviving than we are. Intelligence involves abstract reasoning ability, processing speed, problem solving ability, and a host of other things that have nothing to do with being achievement oriented.

I don't know how you started out, but I can say with certainty that I started out worse than the vast majority of people in this country. That I ever achieved anything at all was very unexpected.

It is a fact. I have had my intelligence measured on numerous occasions by professional psychologists (using the WAIS III), both as a kid and as an adult. I have a verbal IQ north of 140 and a nonverbal IQ of around 115, both of which are much higher than average. You'll just have to take me at my word, or not, since I don't keep psych evals lying around the house.

You just completely made up the last part of this statement. I never claimed that anyone had to take care of me because I'm so smart. Please show me where I said or implied as much.

My issues with this country have to do with being tortured, experimented upon (causing serious health problems), and being barred from quite a few employment opportunities.

I'm well aware of both my strengths and weaknesses. I have intelligence but lack psychological stability, as I've said many times. I'm also not very goal-oriented and never have been. Trust me, I am more critical of myself than you or anyone else could ever be, but that does not mean that I don't also know my own strengths. I have proven them both to myself and many others on numerous occasions--the same goes for my weaknesses.

Believe it or not, some things are complicated and require more than knee-jerk reactions and half-baked cliches to understand.

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Corruption is the biggest issue facing this country, by far. It affects everything, including the stupidity of the populace, which is the second biggest problem we have.

 

here, here, yep

 

Ricky already tore one into you, and I'm mostly going to be repeating the same things but from a different angle: Ability and capability are TWO different things. Do you want to know my real thoughts? I could do any job that I would be hired to. I feel like I could step into a business(my second preferred career) and we could immediately jump off as a company thanks to my eye for the ball and my orthodox approach to multi-faceted problems like economics and making money. I feel I'm extremely adaptable and could fit any situation.

That's all ability. I don't doubt my ability at all, in large part due to the bias I talked to Ricky about. Now, capability is ANOTHER factor and primarily
determined by two factors these days. 1: Do you have a degree and 2: Will you ACTUALLY get hired.

There's a certain dependence in this economic system that's outright disgusting. You think you're free as an adult? Nope, I'm going to throw dampers on some people(because that's what I do.) If you're not hired, you won't get to work a job. Are you working now? Just wait, there's a pink slip waiting just for you! My grandmother worked faithfully for UPS, when they needed to cut workers down, they weren't hesitant in the least to cut her off.

So really, my ability to do the job is second to whether or not I'm actually liked by the employer. It's a game of russian roulette that provides no benefits to playing, you play not to lose. And that degree? It's not all a four year degree in a certain specialization. There's also concentrated degrees(like say for a bachelor), that unless you decide to pursue this job it's outright stupid to get that degree.

(That's why Medical students are screwed if they can't get into the medical profession). And generally, given how I suck at math(Hey there, I professed a flaw!), I didn't/don't want to go back into college(thereby taking out more loans) until I fix that one flaw in my intellect. But guess what? Time doesn't wait! For me, while I'm studying to improve, every second goes by that I'm in an unbearable(for me anyway) living situation and it frustrates the hell out of me.

The reason I sometimes talk about these things with Ricky is that outside of our shared political affiliation, we also have a shared outlook of our very different situations. He's absolutely right that at the head of this stinking corpse, is the word "corruption". It's a world where the very top can get bailouts, but the rest are expected to scrap by. It's a world where asskissing gets you everywhere, but your modest efforts amount to nothing.

It's a world where I'm forced to choose whether to put all of my energy into pursuing a possible career to get out of this rut, or to pursue the knowledge that might help me get out of this rut. I can only choose one, and both of them take time that I'm too impatient to invest. I waited too faithfully and wasted too much time already.

This is why I gave up on searching for a job. After SO many tries, it's just me throwing crap into the wind and seeing what sticks. As an adult, I'm lost. Before, in the classroom if there was a problem, I could solve it if I worked hard enough at it. But guess what: Life doesn't work like that for those trying to climb from the bottom. For these people, it HAS to all break right and the one setback can be a vital setback.

That's why I feel I can be a leader for the people. You actually have to fight the struggle and be with the struggle to understand it. Someone who attends Harvard, or someone who has NEVER had a private sector job since 1966(Hillary Clinton) is probably the last person to ever understand your plight, despite her cries to the contrary.

I've pursued Authoritarianism precisely for that reason. The leaders of the 18th/19th century had to worry about a lot more than re-election, they had to worry about their own head being lobbed off. And so while there were some bastards, many of them were also pioneers of engineering what became the modern world. Our politicians are mooching off(and destroying) their success. All the meanwhile taking credit for mediocrity as though they were somehow great.

 

Yes and no. Corruption is a product of human nature and happens largely in government due to politics being a career vocation rather than a public service.
Im not a big fan of term limits because that is what voting is for. We need to remove money from the election process