bush and obama both warn about pandemic

20K is a lot of dead people, important people to someone. They may have been expendable to Obama but not to everyone.

 

consider seasonal flu kill more than H1N1, yet we dont do social distance over seasonal FLU. cov19 is much more dangerous, its like compare a bb gun vs ar15.

 

Bush acted to inventory needed PPE and other medical devices in 2005.

After bringing us H1N1 swine flu in 2009-2010, which infected 60.8 million Americans and killed 12,500 Americans, Obama used up Bush's inventory and didn't replace it. He faced the return of H1N1 in 2013-2014, but the powers that be failed to call it swine flu to protect Obama's legacy. Obamacare taxed medical devices to include PPE, outsourcing manufacturing to China. So, if he intended to JIT medical devices, he wasn't serious about pandemic preparation. By JITing medical devices while moving the supply chain overseas, he was not very bright.

Oh, H1N1 came back in the 2018-2019 flu season to kill 19,000 Americans.

 

You can say it all you want, but without a link for all I know it's simply an overactive imagination.

 

So what, you are spitting hairs on semantics. It's a ridiculous argument.

 

They didn't know if it's true till months later, next excuse. BTW the H1N1 swine flu was the first global pandemic in 40 years, somehow that's not worth closing travel to the origination country?

 

Not at all. H1N1 mainly effects people 64 and younger. Coronavirus effects older people with pre-existing conditions like obesity. The fatality rate for coronavirus is unknown because many younger people don't have symptoms. For every person who shows up to be tested for coronavirus, 5-10 don't even know they have it. It's now suspected that coronavirus was circulating around California for months undistinguished by doctors from the flu. Many people there have immunity because of that. Look at the cases per capita vs NY.

 

I've linked this many times.

And, YOU have linked to this informatin, too! You just didn't read your whole cites, I guess.

For example, your factcheck link pointed out that Obama's planning effort did not end by Trump firing those involved. But, it shows that is a technicality in that the planning effort was ended and those involved were not necessarily fired, as some were simply reassigned.

 

provide link on your prove, either way H1N1 kill 12k american in 1 year without lockdown, COV19 kill 22k from march to now, thats 1 month, thats with lockdown.

 

Any shot you can throw at Trump I guess. The left leaning Politifacts says they left on their own in May of 2018. So why do you still try to BS everyone when you are clearly WRONG! It truly ruins your credibility.

 

You don't know how many people died because of coronavirus. That number is not reported and is unknown. The CDC is reporting how many people had the infection at the time of death, or die with coronavirus present. Since the overwhelming majority of people whose death was attributed to the virus had pre-existing conditions and many were already on death's doorstep, there's no way to know. The lockdown didn't start until mid-March, with an incubation period of at least 14 days and hospitalizations that went beyond that and deaths that sometimes followed, you have no with lockdown number for deaths, just a reduced number of new cases.


The swine flu (H1N1) killed 12,500 in 2009 - 2010

From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, CDC estimated there were 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (range: 195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (range: 8868-18,306) in the United States due to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-h1n1-pandemic.html

It came back and killed more people in 2013 - 2014
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6322a2.htm#Fig4

It came back again in the first half of the 2018 - 2019 flu season to kill 19,000 as stated below.
https://weather.com/health/cold-flu/news/2019-02-15-flu-season-vaccine-illnesses-deaths

 

wth you talking about we know number of cov death, its reported every day. the lockdown should start much early like SK. look number of H1N1 again 12k in 1 Year, we had 1st case in late jan, now 22k already dead, thats with lockdown in place. can belief some people are so ignorant

 

This is the same as with flu death reporting. Those at risk are more likely to die. However, the proportions are likely to be different as we know how to treat flu and flu patients tend to make it to the hospital.

Right now the belief from medical science is that there are far more deaths due to COVID than are being reported.

The reason is that there is a pretty good understanding of the number of non-hospitalized deaths in a region. And, since COVID that number has skyrocketed.

We don't know if they had COVID because we don't have the testing capacity to test the dead.

Besides, we don't have the staff to do contact tracing or take other action based on finding someone dead with COVID, another reason we can't bother to look.

South Korea and some other countries have listened to contagious disease experts and used intensive regimes of testing and tracking to allow their economies to start opening.

In the US, our testing capacity is DECREASING.

 

="WillReadmore, post: 1071599867, member: 64140"]This is the same as with flu death reporting. Those at risk are more likely to die. However, the proportions are likely to be different as we know how to treat flu and flu patients tend to make it to the hospital.

Right now the belief from medical science is that there are far more deaths due to COVID than are being reported.

The reason is that there is a pretty good understanding of the number of non-hospitalized deaths in a region. And, since COVID that number has skyrocketed.

We don't know if they had COVID because we don't have the testing capacity to test the dead.

Besides, we don't have the staff to do contact tracing or take other action based on finding someone dead with COVID, another reason we can't bother to look.[/QUOTE]

Science isn't a system of speculation, no matter how much you wave your hands.

South Korea and others close to China learned from SARS. We also took away lessons from SARS, like the need to inventory large quantities of PPE. Millions of those items inventoried by Bush in 2005 were used in 2009 - 2010 and never replaced. Then we taxed medical devices to include PPE, driving the supply chain offshore. Even after H1N1 infected 60.8 million Americans, we had no scalable testing strategy like we have today.

Our testing capacity exploded, expanding to the states. There are few new cases to test today.

 

We do not have anything CLOSE to a "scalable testing strategy" today.

In fact testing for COVID is decreasing even though it is stated to be a critical element in reopening our economy.

Beyond that, there are no standards for COVID test results or case reporting to the CDC from states. The result is that epidemiologists are working with a mish mash of data on COVID from states..

 

If testing is decreasing, it's because we are not doing 'just-in-case' testing and there is a slowdown of new cases and a slowdown in new cases with symptoms. The states shouldn't need the Federal Government for testing. States that have done a lousy job will get help from the US taxpayer to fix the shortcomings of the people they elected. Hopefully it will be reported. A great example is Cuomo. He knew the equipment he needed, but instead of taking care of the health of New Yorkers, he invested New York's treasure in failed climate change initiatives and made it look like his failure was the fault of the Federal Government. No surprise. He was responsible for the 2007 - 2008 meltdown and he never had to pay a price

 

No, we're still highly restricting those who can get tests. Almost everywhere, one must be a healthcare worker constantly exposed to COVID or have COVID symptoms. We're even seeig shortages of test kits - which contain swabs, instructions, tubes for securing samples, mailers, etc.

Testing the samples is a relatively centralized US capability - not a case of state by state labs and not within the capability of states to cause such labs to be created.

The federal government CAN fix this, because the federal level has tools that states do not have - tools such as the Defense Production Act that Trump has used only rarely - using it when he targets specific companies for PR.

 

Comedy gold. You asked many times to provide a link, now demanding a link from someone else.

 

Provide the names of the people who died because Trump reorganized a group that failed to restock ventilators and PPE after Swine Flu, failed to create a testing infrastructure that could handle a pandemic, and helped Obama facilitate the outsourcing of our medical device and pharmaceutical supply chains to an enemy of the US.

Those contributions by the Obama regime are dwarfed by Biden promoting the sale of the Port of Long Beach to an enemy for $1.5B in Hunter's pocket and the sale of our food supply chain to that same enemy. At this writing, China has made great headway in purchasing the Democratic Party. Note that Chris Murphy (D-CT), who collected $151,000 from a firm with deep ties to the PRC, has played the role of a Chinese agent by supporting Chinese propaganda that blamed the Kung Flu that originated in Wuhan on Trump.

 

Almost nothing we do in the name of reducing mortality can be tied to names of people. There is no wat to tell who would have died.

With automobiles, airlines, building codes, OSHA, FDA, we put in place safety measures that are shown to have decreased the numbers of deaths.

And, it is just plain STUPID to suggest that we haven't saved lives - regardless of not knowing the names of those who might have died.

Clearly, we have to put Obama's effort against pandemic back together, as there is NO CHANCE that COVID19 is the last pandemic we'll face.

The human and economic damage of not doing so has moved from being a repeated warning from science to an actual experience.

How many dollars were saved by killing Obama's innitiative - compared to the size of the problem it was addressing?

 

i guess you can't huh cause it doesn't exist. lol

 

Putting everything under perspective sure makes us realize how much better we could have done if anybody else where in charge.

 

Obama made no effort to address pandemics. Bush addressed SARS by stockpiling medical devices. Obama addressed H1N1 by using the stockpile Bush assembled and not replacing it. After infecting 60.8 M Americans and killing 12,500 in 2009 - 2010, H1N1 still returns during flu season. In 2018 - 2019 alone there were 18 M H1N1 infections and 19,000 deaths.

Obama decided it would be a good idea to tax medical devices which ended up running the medical device supply chain through China.

In a related subject, China paid Hunter Biden $3B to secure property in the US on as trip with daddy. This is the result:

Smithfield Foods, Inc., is a meat-processing company based in Smithfield, Virginia, in the United States, and a wholly owned subsidiary of WH Group of China.[a] Founded in 1936 as the Smithfield Packing Company by Joseph W. Luter and his son, the company is the largest pig and pork producer in the world.[5] In addition to owning over 500 farms in the US, Smithfield contracts with another 2,000 independent farms around the country to grow Smithfield's pigs.[6] Outside the US, the company has facilities in Mexico, Poland, Romania, Germany, and the United Kingdom.[7] Globally the company employed 50,200 in 2016 and reported an annual revenue of $14 billion.[3] Its 973,000-square-foot meat-processing plant in Tar Heel, North Carolina, was said in 2000 to be the world's largest, processing 32,000 pigs a day.[8]

Then known as Shuanghui Group, WH Group purchased Smithfield Foods in 2013 for $4.72 billion.[9][10] It was the largest Chinese acquisition of an American company to date.[11] The acquisition of Smithfield's 146,000 acres of land made WH Group, headquartered in Luohe, Henan province, one of the largest overseas owners of American farmland.

I was mistaken. The $1.5 billion deal was related to the sale of stealth technology by Hunter Biden and his daddy. China's J-20 fighter uses technology Joe enriched his family. Unlike the $3B deal, it is not related to COVID. China did shut down a Smithfield processing plant due to COVID and likely because they brought sick slaves from Wuhan to do the processing.