That you place your location from the WoT series, I shall show proper respect and just stop here. Although of the 27 members, more than one does keep its monarchs around, and you have not specified where you are exactly...
Do you understand the difference between a parliamentary democracy and a direct democracy? The U.K. Is a Parlimentary democracy, it is up to Parliament to decide on the legal status of any referendums. So you are simply wrong with regards to the referendum. Got any more?
Well... At least you didn't make any mistakes for once. People like their monarchies... it is hard to convince people to get rid of them unfortunately. Believe me. I have fought as many battles with monarchists as nationalists. They tend to be the same people often enough. Feelings and emotions is a terrible way to approach most things
I do understand the difference, the point is the referendum is pointless if it isn't binding, it breaks the very fabric of what constitutes the social contract. If it was decided by a few hundred votes there may be a point to whining, but it wasn't it was decided by over 1.3 million votes, there is no question as how the people responded. The reality is it was a referendum, not a poll, if it isn't binding the UK is nothing but a banana republic. Pathetic...
UK stock market has beat france and germany AGAIN all 3 days .. germany last all 3 days....HORRENDOUS BLUNDER by merkel!! and liberals and big blunder by liberals showing how easy it is to secede and showing how the big issue is that the more wise voters are conservative. which will change things everywhere when a wisdom test for voters becomes law everywhere... 75% of 18-24 yr olds voted to stay in the euro which would mean the older and more wise voted in a landslide to leave more liberal euro union.. this will wake up the world and america .. liberalism will be finished...America has 30 conservative states ready to secede with canada' conservative province alberta joining THE CONSERVATIVE STATES OF AMERCA.. china is very conservative as well as russia and now europe and america will be also.... all these will have a wisdom test for its voters.. China probably has that in private.. they see the people that seem wise and they bring them in and give them wisdom tests and they then vote for their leaders and make the laws and that is why their GDP scores have soared.. whereas liberal europe stuck with making stupid mistakes of having liberalism
The people have clearly stated that they do not wish to remain in the EU in its present guise, what they have not done or any of the exit leaders is set out what they do wish to be part of. Even Boris says he wishes to continue with a single market. Now it is up to Parliament to decide and negotiate what options are available and for them to decide, it may well be they take that decision to the country on a one issue election. Once article 50 is started we are at a disadvantage in negotiations with the EU. That is why it is not binding, we will attempt to leave with the best possible deal for the UK, the complexity involved are enormous. In the end Parliament will have to answer for there actions to the electorate, that is why your comparisons to a banana republic are wrong.
They voted to leave the EU, no amount of whiny semantics will change that. It is done, get over it, the rest of the union is going to move on without you, just accept you picked the losing side...
Nothing is done until article 50 is invoked, that's just a fact and no matter how much you want it to be otherwise it is not. What you clearly do not understand is that there are multiple choices for the UK that is what matters now. Simplistic rhetoric might be your style but it does not work for those who actually govern.
It IS done unless totalitarian measures are used to stop it, it is done unless the UK really is a banana republic. You whiners need to accept that or the future is going to be a dark and dreary place for your lot...
And you are back where you started, nothing is done until article 50 is invoked, sorry if this is to complicated for you. Facts are facts.
Interesting thought and yes I agree with indirect democracy or representative government. That said some things need to be direct from the people's vote to policy. Granting of or abdication of power to a foreign entity is one of them. Yiu think otherwise? Why? Cheers Sent from my SM-T900 using Tapatalk
You want binding? Bloody revolution is binding. Wait for it, you'll have one again. Just a matter of time. Cheers Sent from my SM-T900 using Tapatalk
No I do not think otherwise, remember the Right Wing took us into the EU in 1973 without a referendum, the Left Wing gave the people the chance of a referendum in 1975. What I am saying is that before article 50 starts the formal process, we should have some idea of what we want, there is no consensus what so ever at the moment. Parliament needs to decide what we are aiming for before negotiations begin, for instance should we be going for the Norway model. I do not believe in sending our negotiators in with their trousers around their ankles.
Basically, the whole issue of whether to go or stay is yet to be resolved, even after the referendum. When/If Art. 50 is invoked that should be game, set, and match. But as of now the UK seems to be like a drunk waking up with a terrible hangover. All the warnings of the "stayers" are coming true: falling sterling, rising interest rates, chatter among big companies about pulling up stakes and moving to Paris. What I cannot understand is a county like Derbyshire voting to leave when Rolls-Royce and Toyota employ so many people. Rolls makes jet engines for Airbus and Toyota ships cars all over the continent. A lot of those jobs are now in jeopardy if the UK leaves the EU. Maybe, in the end, it is all about nationalism/racism and fear of all those eastern Europeans coming into the UK and polluting that pure, Anglo-Saxon gene pool.
THE 4 day pattern with the stock markets of UK.. FRANCE ,,and GERMANY..... EACH and every day UK was the winner of these 3... each and every day Germany was the loser of these 3. THE REASON is the wise can see that the immigration issue harms.. and UK shows they are saying most to NO they are helped the most and since germany is saying YES they are harmed the worst
Nonsense. We'll see how this all shakes out. If England goes forward with invoking Article 50, she will once again be on her own, having abandoned the largest market in the world. They made a really stupid economic mistake but I fully understand the desire to have control who gets to be an Englishman, though. This is where the EU made a HUGE mistake. The fear, which was fully exploited by the "Leavers" was of hoards of Poles, Turks, Bulgarians, Serbs, etc. flooding into "the sceptered isles." (Just like Trump is doing with Mexican rapists, drug traffickers, and of course Muslim terrorists.) There can be no European superstate, I don't think. I've always said that 2,000 years of evolution among Europeans cannot be waved off by a stroke of the pen. This is what Brussels seems to want to create but the economic, religious, cultural, linguistic and historical differences are too much to overcome.
Euro Union nation has LOST TRILLIONS with MERKELS Horrendous error.. will she be thrown in jail? each and every day since the vote.. Uk stock has beat france and germany each day with germany the worst each day canada will benefit greatly from this as well as america with trading strong with UK.. same with austrailia for the WEEK after the vote.... UK GAINED 2.6%....all the rest had a minus... France 5.1%.. Germany 5.6%..Spain 8.1%..Italy 9.8%.. Ireland 11.7%...Greece 12.3%... and each of the nordic states in the euro union lost and these will vote to secede from the union and the reason why they lost less.. WHAT a MONSTROUS ERROR by MERKEL...!!! and how the very young voted shows this issue was a wisdom test for voters.. 75% of 18-25 voted to remain in union which means the others more experienced and wiser voted in a landslide to exit and the stock markets proves who are the wiinners and losers and also shows if you let unwise people vote a nation WILL BE THE LOSER.. so soon there will be a world wide wisdom test for voters and no more liberalism.. THIS also will bring te conservative states to separate from the liberals states.... WELCOME TO THE CONSERVATIVE STATES OF AMERICA
Except the ftse250 considered a better way to look at the UK economy is still 7% down. The fact is that any stabilisation of the market can be put down to the Mark Carney who is the only one with any kind of plan. The leave politicians are in disarray with Boris bolting and no one leading. https://www.energyvoice.com/marketinfo/113548/ftse-250-suffers-brexit-fallout-ftse-100-bounces-back/
There is a rule here that prohibits posting links that are behind a pay to play firewall. That leaves a lot of Murdoch media out, including the Financial Times.
#notallliberals I for one know enough to know that I don't know enough to have an opinion on the matter one way or another, I trust the UK made the best choice they could with the information given. I hope it works out for them. Even if I did have an opinion, I'd still trust their judgement on the matter more than my own as they live there, and on top of that, not my circus not my clowns.
They ought to kill this thread and resurrect it in about two years and then we'll all see where things stand.
The main fear that the was fully exploited by the "leavers" was hordes of Muslim refugees coming from the Middle East flooding into the UK. Attached is one of the later adverts by Nigel Farage and it's likeness to the anti-Jew nazi propaganda film. I've met some leave voters who voted because of this fear and they have now found out that the eu has no say on the number of eu refugees the UK accepts. They now regret their vote with some feeling sorry for their eu friends that they work with.
