BYU Athletics Department bans non-student fan for using racial slurs at volleyball game vs. Duke

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "Campus police also told the Salt Lake Tribune that reviews of surveillance footage don't show the unidentified man shouting anything at the Richardson."

    "The man also claimed he only yelled at the Duke players that they shouldn't hit the ball into the net and denied making any slurs."

    they claim the video showed he did not shout anything, but he says he did, just not that? Confused?

    Regardless, without evidence, they should remove the ban, I would think someone would have cellphone video in this day and age if happened
     
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  2. mudman

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    Yes, huge overreaction.

    When will people/institutions learn that kneejerk reactions can get them into trouble?

    It been, basically, proven that these accusations were completely fabricated. But even if they weren't, they still overreacted because they did so before they had a clue about the validity of the accusations. You can't react based on nothing but an allegation. Look what happened with Sandman. When will people learn that people lie, especially when it allows them to be the victim. I just don't see what's so difficult about saying 'we will investigate and then based on our findings, react accordingly'. Is it really that hard?
     
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    You realize, now at least, that this is yet another Jussie-Smollett-style hoax, right? That they volleyball player lied? That Duke University feigned outrage over a myth, right? That it's like the false accusations against the Duke Lacrosse team? You do understand at least that much, right?
     
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    What do you think should happen to the volleyball player that made the whole thing up?
     
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    Now there's an admission:
     
  6. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    did they make it up, or is there just no evidence it happened
     
  7. Pro_Line_FL

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    The article says its not heard on the video, not that no one else heard it. Surveillance videos typically do not have sound, so how could they be used to conclude she is a liar?

    There are many insults that will get you thrown out.
     
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  8. Joe knows

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    They asked anyone that had seen it to come forward. No one has come forward. They can’t find one witness. So yes no one heard it.
     
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    Your articles do not say that, so why are you adding it? The claim: "she and other black teammates were subjected to racist heckling", so how does that translate to "only she heard it"?

    Don't you think the accusations against her are also an overreaction given the possibility that her story can be true. I mean, - look at the outrage against her.

    Maybe she made it up, - I don't know, but the whole thing is borderline absurd given all the emotion against her. When did people become so sensitive?

    See how you accuse the whole school of racism. If she made it up, you and her are guilty of the same.

    Surveillance cameras do not have audio.
     
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  10. Joe knows

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    Here’s another update on the matter.

    https://www.fox13now.com/news/local...-racial-slur-investigation-yields-no-evidence


    The governor has apologized for what he said. The school has apologized. The racist Duke College is standing firm with their player. The racist school that won’t play at utah still won’t play at utah. The investigators are still asking for any witness to come forward like they have the whole time yet no one has.

    This Duke player should be banned from sports
     
  11. Joe knows

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    If there were racist heckling at the game it would have been caught on camera.
     
  12. Joe knows

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    No it can’t be true. If it was at the game as she claims it would have been caught on camera. The school was so sure they apologized and the governor even apologized because of the evidence it never happened.
     
  13. Egoboy

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    5 separate rapid fire questions, so I'll respond in kind

    False, False, False, TOTALLY False, False...
     
  14. Joe knows

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    Hardly false. There was enough evidence to the contrary that even the governor publicly apologized for his comments on the accused. The accuser however should face the same scrutiny against her she caused against him. There is nothing false the person said that you are replying to.
     
  15. Egoboy

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    Whatever floats your boat, man... I've seen nothing that says this story is false, except they somehow identified the wrong guy....
     
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    Duke identified him.

     
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    So, it turns out this was a hoax. Another one, in a long line of victimhood crimes committed by progs/democrats,....

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/09/us/duke-volleyball-player-racist-comment-byu-investigation/index.html

    BYU says investigation did not find evidence of racist heckling at volleyball game

    I chose the CNN article because, well, you consider it holy writ... so......
     
  18. Egoboy

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    I don't consider CNN holy writ, but it's obviously going to be worlds better than anything from your normal source library.... so thanks for providing something readable...

    Also, let us know how the Donald Trump investigation into whether Donald Trump broke the law by stealing government documents goes...
     
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    So, BYU 'investigated' their own school and they claim there was nothing there, and Duke is also standing by their own school.

    Is she the false witness, or falsely accused of being one? Who knows.

    Thigs must be good when something as trivia as this becomes the national news.
     
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  20. Joe knows

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    That source I pointed out was local news. That local news outlet is more left than they are right. It also shows the progress of this story from 3 stories posted. In the first one there were no excuses for racial slurs and no denying it. They even mentioned that one of them claimed to be called a racial slur “every time she served the ball”. A claim camera would have definitely picked up.

    Another one talked of the investigation

    The one I just posted talked of its findings


    This is another jusy Smollet case. Or however you spell the race baiters name. This is another case of the same false claims that were found to be false. People defended Smollet as you are defending her so I’m not surprised. However if this is your position you can not claim to be a person of facts.
     
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    The cameras would have seen it if it had happened as they claimed. It was a good investigation and I applaud them for not falling to the pressure of the white racist crowd.
     
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    LOL... so you're giving up on the racist hoax story then? I hope you didn't get whiplash given the speed of your change in direction.....
     
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    How do you figure the cameras would have caught it when they are filming the game, not the audience, or do you think there is a separate set of cameras filming the audience for some reason?

    The pressure of the white racist crowd..........I'm sure that means something, but I have no idea what.

    Why are you so emotionally invested in this?
     
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    No, they're not an overreaction. Nobody was against her until it became clear she lied. And yes, it's clear she lied. When her claim was that someone was yelling something at her that would've been loud enough for hundreds to hear and yet not a single person has come forward....yea, we can conclude she lied. Then throw on top that there's no video evidence that her story is true and yea, claiming she lied isn't an overreaction.

    Now, why are people so sensitive about this? It should be crystal clear why. An accusation of racism can destroy your life these days. It can destroy your career. So when someone lies about something like this, it's serious because it has serious consequences. Nobody is being 'sensitive' when it comes to calling out liars like this especially given the consequences.
     
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    Even if she lied, people getting so emotional about such trivial incident is an over-reaction, and yes, it shows how sensitive people have become. In the end of the day we simply do not know if she lied or not. You can ask some people in the BYU crowd and they are likely to cover up for one of their own, or to defend their school reputation. You can conclude anything you want based on lack of video evidence, but it really means nothing and is certainly not proof that something did not happen. Videos are focused on the game, not the audience.
     

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