California Democrats say YES to gender selection abortion

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-...Democrats-Kill-Ban-on-Sex-Selection-Abortions

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On Tuesday, thirteen Democrats on the California State Assembly Health Committee voted down a bill that would have outlawed the practice of sex selection through abortion.

IMO, I view this as consistency among Democrats and not a surprise at all. If you support the euthanizing of unborn babies then there should be no limits or restrictions. If a mom and dad really want a girl, and find out that it's a boy, then kill him. Why should any parent be forced to raise a child of an undesired gender? Imagine the horror that parents must feel after spending $50 on paint and supplies to paint a room pink just to find that the baby is a boy.

 

I'd have to see the complete bill before passing judgement...no bill is ever that simple.



However, I do condemn any prospective parent who prefers one gender over the other as I condemn any form of sexism....

Sure , enough, I found this:

""Those few witnesses opposing the measure cited concerns over racial profiling, limiting access and enforcement.

“My constituents do not support this particular effort in restricting access to reproductive health services or interfering in that relationship that a woman has with her physician,” said Sebastian Ridley-Thomas (D-Culver City).

Rob Bonta (D-Oakland) said his allegiance was in protecting a woman’s right to make her own choices governing her body."""

 

I believe that I said that in my opinion portion

I view this as consistency with Democrats. If you support the killing of babies then you won't want to put any restrictions on that.

 

Sorry but this isn't the inflammatory "Killing Babies" Forum, this is the abortion forum....try REALLY hard to use facts, it helps your credibility.

 

Here's why, from http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/31/sex-selection-abortion-vote-fails-house-gop_n_1559827.html

"The House of Representatives voted on PRENDA Thursday afternoon under a suspension of House rules, which is a procedure that requires a two-thirds majority to pass and is normally reserved for uncontroversial bills. Most House Democrats, along with President Barack Obama and a slew of women's rights groups, opposed PRENDA, because it would criminalize doctors who failed to question their patients in order to determine their reasons for having an abortion.

"The administration opposes gender discrimination in all forms, but the end result of this legislation would be to subject doctors to criminal prosecution if they fail to determine the motivations behind a very personal and private decision," said White House spokeswoman Jamie Smith. "The government should not intrude in medical decisions or private family matters in this way."

 

I'm not sure if I understand this correctly. Are abortion doctors not obliged to question their patients' reasons for having an abortion?
And the administration is afraid that doctors might be criminalized if they're slacking off?

 

Not in the first trimester. Why would they? Should the doctor be the one to decide if a woman's reason meets his approval?

 

not at all

as long as we allow free and open season on babies, then there should be no limit or any reason to deny the killing. I think we should force women to justify why they want to keep the baby instead of killing it.

 

Cady, see there's the TRUTH.....then there's the "Breitbart Version".

Remember, this is the same "news" outlet founded by a guy who deliberately re-edited a video of Shirley Sherrod to make it look like she was saying the OPPOSITE of what she actually said.

It panders to the Right....at the expense of actual facts, if needed.

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Who EXACTLY do you want to force them? And who EXACTLY will they have to justify themselves to?

Name the person, entity, agency, etc.?

 

I'm not up to date with abortion procedures in the States, so excuse my dumb question. I thought there are regulations in place which decide if an abortion is reasonable. This seems not to be the case, then.

 

it's quite simple there Gorn, make it as difficult as possible to give birth. Do not allow hospital admission unless the DCS has signed off on your ability to be a parent and the process should take a minimum of a year and begin at the 2nd trimester of pregnancy. You are not allowed to give birth until you've been through the 1 year approval process. Abortion needs to be plentiful, available in schools during recess and lunch and free of charge.

I fully support these Democrats and their refusal to place even a tiny restriction on the killing of babies. The babies must be killed.

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abortion is always reasonable. What makes you think that the killing of an innocent human life could ever be unreasonable?

 

ONLY the woman who wants the abortion decides if it is reasonable for HER. NO one else has that right despite Republicans trying to make it THEIR right..

 

Some parents have good reason to want to control the sex of their offspring.

https://www.genderselectionauthority.com/blog/sex-linked-genetic-disease

Sex-linked genetic disorders are any diseases or abnormal conditions that are caused by a defective gene on the X chromosome, one of the sex chromosomes. These disorders may also involve a deviation in the number of X or Y chromosomes. Turner Syndrome, a disorder in which all or part of one of the female's X chromosomes is missing, is an example of this.

Sex-linked genetic diseases caused by a single-gene defect are recessive and affect males almost exclusively. Why? Females possess two X chromosomes; males possess an X and a Y. For a sex-linked disorder to manifest itself in a female, both of her X chromosomes would have to carry the defective gene, meaning the girl's father would have been affected by the disorder. Because most sex-linked diseases are debilitating or fatal, this is unlikely.

 

Can't answer the question, can you?

Welcome to the Abortion Forum.

We've gone through this with "pro-lifers" before, you see. You LOVE to talk about "forcing" women to do this or that. But then you suddenly run out of ideas when asked...."Okay WHO, who will force the women to do it? HOW will they force women to do it?"

Because you either have no answers, or despite your rightwing claim to "love freedom and libertty".....you have to create a totalitarian police state with a "Womb Gestapo".

So try again....

Who EXACTLY do you want to force them? And who EXACTLY will they have to justify themselves to?

Name the person, entity, agency, etc.?

 

But see, Grannie, that doesn't work with what sec has been fed by Breitbart.

They want to imagine women popping into "abortion mills" at 8 1/2 months and saying "Ya know, I don't really want a boy....I hate blue. I want a girl. Kill it now!"

Facts don't matter....just the "truthiness" and other b.s. that unabashed Rightwing Media come up with on a daily basis to feed the Outrage Machine.

 

abortion is killing babies you can ignore it if you want so you can sleep better at night but ignoring it doesn't make it so

 

Is a human ovum ONE SECOND after fertilization a "baby"....yes or no?

No, not "human life"....you keep saying "baby"....is that a "baby" at one second fertilization?

 

why not we are forced to buy heath insurance that only meets government approval we are forced to buy cars that only meet government approval hell almost every aspect of our lives is dictated by government approval but hell no we can't have any restrictions on abortion that would be tyranny
take you absurd hypocrisy some where else

 

a baby is a term for a very young human have you ever went to a "fetus" shower have you ever asked an expected mother when was her "fetus" due date was

but you will continue to call a baby what ever you want so to receive your conscience from murder

 

Lying about it doesn't make it so.


Please show PROOF that abortion is "killing a baby" or else stop with the stupid off topic inflammatory flim flam....

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So you LIKE Bigger government??

 

Still, I see the doctor - as the one who performs the operation - under the obligation to educate his patient. As well I see the woman under the obligation to sit through some sort of counselling.
I don't want to get on the high horse here and tell you how it should be done because it's done different where I come from, but I think you're making it too simple.

 

It IS simple. Women must be treated like every other adult citizen not like some helpless ignorant children.

Do you really know any women who don't know what "pregnant" is?


It's simple: Women, each individual woman, has a right to her own body..


"Counseling " is an OPTION for anyone under a doctor's care or undergoing a medical procedure but it should never be FORCED on those who don't want it

 

So if I call a fetus a grand piano it IS one????

 

I fully agree. I would hold other adult citizen, which means men, to the same standard if they could get pregnant.
Demonstrating to a woman what it is she currently has in her body, and what will happen to it, means helping her face the reality of what an abortion is and helping her decide if she really wants to go through with it.

Grown women who plan to have a child sually do. 18 or 19 year old girls often don't.

Absolutely, but there's a second body involved.

And here I disagree, because abortion is a big step and a decision that should not be made lightly.
If a couple hours of counseling is too big an effort for me to bear, then I should think real hard about if I have really made up my mind about what I'm going to do.

Look, I'm new to the abortion subforum and just kind of stumbled into it, and you've probably heard all these arguments before and have long ago made up your mind about it. Your opinion is up to you, but I think an abortion is not something to be taken lightly, or to be done just because you feel like it. That's the essence of my points here.

 

And that's a very good idea but you can't force your opinions/ideas/ preferences on everyone else...