California to Ban the Sale of New Gasoline Cars

The state of California has put in place a sweeping plan to heavily restrict and ultimately ban the sale of new gasoline-powered cars by 2035.

This is insane, especially all the more so since currently only 33.6% of the state's electricity supply is sourced from "renewable energy".

Most likely the poor simply will not be able to afford these new expensive electric cars.

California to Ban the Sale of New Gasoline Cars - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

Keep in mind that California currently contains 8.4% of the country's total population, meaning if you took six separate "average" states and added their population numbers together, it would be equal to California.

 

Since when does california care about the poor? they and other Democrat Politicians, are worried more so about impressing liberal donors. All while they fly around in their private jets of course.

 

California has a decent history of nuttiness like this and I wouldn't put a lot of stock in them actually doing it. There are several problems with the idea, most of them being ignored because of California's self-image of being the 8th largest country in the world and they'll do whatever they dang well want (was told that by a consultant in California when I was working out there consulting on one of their "solutions").

Biggest problem I see is that, like the Inflation Reduction Act or whatever they're calling it now that everyone knows it won't do anything but make inflation worse, there are no possible "sticks" to go along with the billions of dollars of "carrots" used to bribe compliance.

You see, the transportation system is a massive, complex thing inherently connected to all 49 other states that won't all be doing that. So commercial vehicles (anything above 14,000 lbs. GVWR from large pickups to semis to garbage trucks to dump trucks) will continue to run on fossil fuels mostly because nobody's figured out the Achilles Heel of climate change ideology- real work, not mileage, inherently produces CO2. It's the natural result of perfect combustion and so far nobody's figured out how to truly eliminate that (electric stuff just moves the source from an individual engine to the power plant.

So now that you can't physically mandate a reasonable change-over for vehicles involved in commerce, fueling infrastructure will remain in California no matter what you run cars on.

Then there's the problem with ICE cars that come in from out of state where they will still be legal. Live in California and want a real (and much cheaper and capable) car? Buy it from Nevada. California won't let you license it? Tough to see how they'll prevent that with people moving to the state. Which means a whole new revenue stream for Carvana. Buy the car online from Nevada and ship it to California (and it becomes "used" along the way).

Boom! Your move Newsome and CARB.

My guess is they'll figure that out about the time of the first milestone (I think it's 40% by 2028 or something like that) and the whole effort will vaporize in a storm of lawsuits as climate change screeds yell at the sky.

 

Cheap, used cars are still all gas powered. Poor people cant afford EVs. I guess CA thinks its OK for only the rich to be able to drive, the poor have to ride the bus...

 

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California is a trainwreck...

 

Pulled off Truth social just for grins:

 

Idiocy:
California Urges EV Owners Not to Charge Cars During Heat Wave

• Californians are being advised not to charge their electric cars between 4 and 9pm from Wednesday to Tuesday due to the excessive heatwave
• They are also being advised to set their thermostats at 78 degrees or higher, avoid using large appliances, and turn off unnecessary lights
• The move comes just weeks after the state passed a future ban on gas-powered cars by 2035
• Officials have not said how they plan to deal with an overwhelmed power grid in the future as more electric vehicles hit the roads and charging ports
• 'It’s too soon to tell what the impacts of the 2035 ban will be,' Anna Gonzalez, of CA ISO, told DailyMail.com
• California and the rest of the West is expected to deal with excessive temperature and prolonged heat as Labor Day weekend rolls through

 

California Urges Residents Not to Charge EVs after 4pm
Eric Worrall
As California’s global warming ready energy grid of the future buckles under a heatwave, residents have been urged not to charge electric vehicles between 4-9pm. . . .

 

What they will most likely eventually do to enforce this policy is refuse to allow out of state cars which run on normal fuel to be registered. Or there might be some huge tax fee to be able to register the car. Keep in mind that an unregistered car can get you in trouble if the state finds out. If traffic police happen to pull the car over two times within a 6 month period, they will become suspicious and possibly start an investigation.

 

Which simply means population collapse.

Good luck with that.

 

In the rural areas they may move some from gas to elect, but some may move to hay.

 

Latest headline from the LA Times: California power officials put out a plea: Shut it down at 4 p.m. to protect the grid

California's power grid is overstretched and already facing reliability problems. The question can really be asked, is the state's grid prepared to take on a whole fleet of cars?
I think the reality, if anyone actually bothers to take a little time and effort to look at it, is no, obviously no.

Would you want to be put at the mercy of almost Third World like electric power problems?

Most likely people are not going to be allowed to even charge their cars in the afternoon between 4 and 9 during the Summer. So that's going to create additional limitations and inconvenience on electric car owners.

 

Thirteen years away

The way that electric crs are being developed and coming on board by then this will not be an issue

 

That's what you Greenies always say.

It's just naive hopefulness. Stupidity and denial of reality, really.

This whole policy is based on emotions, not logic. You just can't wait for electric cars, so you want to push them before the necessary implementations in the electric grid are even in place. Because cars are something you can actually see. A power plant, not so much.

(And never mind that most of the Greenies who support coercing the public to have to have electric cars haven't actually made the decision to buy an electric car themselves, of their own individual choice)

 

It is still thirteen years away. A lot can happen in thirteen years

 

Just remember that your little novelty electric car is powered by the tears of slave children laboring away in the strip mines for the necessary minerals.

Just something else to make us more dependent on foreign Nations

 

The latest news is that the power operator has warned that the state could experience rolling blackouts on Labor Day, due to excessive demand.

"California grid operator says rolling blackouts could be possible Tuesday if power strain continues 'We have now entered the most intense phase of this heat wave,' Eliot Mainzer, the head of the California Independent System Operator, or Cal ISO, said.
California was able to avoid rolling blackouts Monday evening, but with Tuesday shaping up to be another scorching-hot day, the state's grid operator says rolling outages are still possible. The California Independent System Operator, or Cal ISO, issued what it calls an Energy Emergency Alert 2 Notice for Monday from 6:30 p.m. to 9 p.m., which is the last step before it declares rolling blackouts are imminent. With an EEA 2, Cal ISO says all available resources are in use."
California officials warn rolling power outages possible Tuesday (kcra.com), Daniel Macht, September 5, 2022

 

Californians Told Not to Charge Electric Cars Days After Gas Car Sales Ban
Californians may need to take measures to conserve energy, including by avoiding charging electric vehicles, to prevent strain to the state's power grid over the Labor Day weekend, officials said -- a week after state regulators voted on a plan to ban the sale of gasoline-powered cars.
Californians Told Not to Charge Electric Cars Days After Gas Car Sales Ban (newsweek.com), Khaleda Rahman, 8/31/22

 

Stupid California.

Will California “learn” to avoid Peak Rolling Blackouts?
Posted on September 12, 2022 by curryja | 60 comments
by Planning Engineer

The first week in September of this year California was facing rolling blackouts due to a forecast 20-year high Peak. Residents were asked to cut down electric usage and at risk of rolling blackouts. Is this a new normal? Or can the threat of rolling blackouts be avoided? The likely answer is that the risk of rolling blackouts could be greatly reduced, but because of other priorities such reliability risks are the new normal.

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Never going to happen, it's wishful thinking

not unless battery technology makes big advances

the poor stopped being able to afford cars with mandatory insurance laws

 

Looks like a chevy volt battery costs about 9,000. That guy got ripped off.

 

The price will come down a little by 2035.

 

Or increase, if lots more electric cars get produced and lithium begins becoming more scarce.
(Lithium is a semi-rare element and it's not so easy to just expand production)

And predictably all the stupid green policy makers don't have any real plan in place to recycle all these batteries.
(tack on an extra 300 or 400 dollars to the price of your battery for the cost to recycle it)

 

All this is going to do is funnel money out of California because I would certainly take an old or even a new gas powered vehicle and sell it near the border I bet you can get three times what it's worth.

I hope they do this I could make quite a living buying cars from states that aren't stupid and selling them to people in California. I'll even give them a good deal. I have empathy for a lot of the good people that live in the People's Republic of California.