California to Ban the Sale of New Gasoline Cars

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Realize that when things head south, lots of people are going to be fleeing out of the state to other states, and will bring their politics with them. It's already been happening. Most of these people will never learn that the policies they support are bad. They will just see that things are expensive in their state and things are cheaper in other states and there is more opportunity if they move.
    Then when they leave the state, they will just be replaced by more immigrants from foreign countries, so don't expect this flow to stop anytime soon.
    What happens in California will affect other states.
     
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    I don't know what point you were trying to make, with that paragraph, but I'm just replying to correct your math. Assuming that your 8.4% figure is correct-- which I doubt it is-- that would be roughly one twelfth of the nation's population, right? So, if we skip discussing how the idea of an "average" state, in population, does not really jibe with the reality, one-twelfth of the states (there are 50), is about four states, not six. Six, would be 12 percent of the states (which, if they were "average" sized, in population, would mean, of course, that they would contain 12% of the population, not 8.4%). But your bad math may combine with your bad information, to get you close to the truth, because I wouldn't be surprised if CA had 12% of the U.S. population.

    OK, I just checked, and it is almost exactly 12%. The U.S. population is about 330 million (329.5 mil, according to my source). And almost 40 million of those (39.5 mil) live in California. That makes Cali's pop, about one eighth of the country's, or a little more than 6 "average" states.


    Only about 10 or 12 states would qualify, as an aside, to be of "average" population. 2% of the country's pop. (1/50), would be 6.6 million. If we defined average as being within 20% (1.3 mil), more or less, our 10 average states, begin with the 13th most populous, Washington, and end with the 22nd, Minnesota. If we enlarge our range to be within 25% of the average 6.6 million (to which Indiana comes closest), that doesn't include any of the more populous, but it does get us #23, South Carolina, and #24, Alabama, leaving more than half the states, below the "average" range (almost one quarter of the states, as I'd said, in that range, and about the same number, well above it). Fourteen states (28% of them) have populations under 2 million, with five of those-- the Dakotas, Alaska, Vermont & Wyoming-- having fewer than a million).








     
  3. Polydectes

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    California has been a leftist Haven my entire life. They vote for their politicians. If they decide they don't like it they will change their votes.

    This will be an opportunity for people to sell cars outside of the state and funnel money away from California so these people they vote for won't be able to buy quite as many votes.

    So it's good that I face hardship because they will vote to be less stupid if they do.
     
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    Yeah. The glory of an ICE engine is under load. The glory of an EV is under no load.

    Have you seen that in Florida people are discovering that EVs under water have a tendency to explode violently. As anybody of a certain age that took high school chemistry learned when the teacher dropped just a little bit of lithium in a beaker of water. Now scale that up to 2000-6000 lbs of lithium ion battery.

    Fun stuff.
     
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    Question is where's the electricity to charge all those cars going to come from? We have to buy power from other states now and had the threat of rolling blackouts. I fear another FUBAR like the California High Speed Rail fiasco; way over cost, a minuscule amount of actual construction completed.
     
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    And let's not forget that Ian's radius was almost 400 miles. So, if you're trying to get out south Florida your EV will get you just about to the center of the storm. :eek:
     
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    It appears that California is a lost cause they will have to suffer greatly to help wake up the rest of the country to dangers of stupid party ideology that never goes away.
     
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    Regarding EV cars, the problem is going to be EV caused gridlock when cars run out of juice and stop. Freeway patrol* can’t just dump them three gallons of gas.
    Regarding fast charging, they are very hard on your battery.
    *In commute time they do what they can to keep traffic moving - push out of traffic, give a couple gallons of gas, battery jump, tire change, etc.
     
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    That is another issue. You will have to wholesale you car off through some service like Carvana, so you are going to take a big hit.
    When push comes to shove, it will fail. The guv and the legislature will be termed out. As reality creeps closer, people will begin to wonder “What kind of car will they buy me?”
    They are trying it on lawnmowers now. Home depot will have plenty of returns!
     
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    Well I think it's going to fail because I don't think electric cars are viable is a replacement for all the new cars.

    I don't think an electric car company or even for the motor company are capable of meeting demand.

    The microchip shortage as crippled then might actually bankrupt them
     

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