Calling Jesus out on not letting gays into "heaven" & sending to "hell"

So I should be more patient about the claim he made on me 5 days ago because you have faith he'll back up his claim? Okay. @The Wyrd of Gawd , I'll continue to wait for you to prove your accusations against me...but I won't be holding my breath.

 

Sincere enough to place a bet of $25 donation to the forum that I am.

Consider this; our nation has a 19 TRILLION dollar economy. Do you think all those rich guys, who have the most to lose if our nation's economy goes down the tubes, would really sit on their thumbs as some asshat in the WH screws it up?...given that he/she actually can? Everyone should know they wouldn't. They'd be screaming to Congress to do something. Yes, even use the 25th Amendment.

 

Just donate it, if you lose there is no real way to tell anyway. Maybe in 20 years.

And...most of those guys already are.

 

Still waiting 5 days later.

 

Maybe in 20 years? Okay, using that same logic I'll say this; Maybe in 2000 years we're all ****ed.

 

What's true is that you seem to be totally ignorant about your favorite ethnocentric Middle Eastern Jewish religious fairy tale.

BTW, I noticed that you didn't answer any of the questions.

 

Can you be specific? What was the "wild claim"?

 

I was just stating Ive heard a couple Christians tell Atheists their lives must be empty and I thought they were way out of line.
You can see things any way you wish, but right now your arrogance is literally off the charts.

 

I apologize if I wasn't being clear. I'm in agreement about what you are saying regarding Atheists.

 

This is an example:

More false assertions with zero evidence. Expected from you. @FreedomSeeker , see wut I mean, Vern?

 

Agreed. Do you also believe the atheists who demean believers for being cowards about dying and believing in a "Sky Daddy" are equally wrong?

 

You know, some people think that the very birth and need for religion was driven by the fear of death. I just doubt that. In fact, I don't think we have always feared death to the same degree as some people do today. Take myself for example. I am old, and will be fortunate to live a year or two. And yet I do not think about death hardly at all, and it has to be brought up for me to think about it then. There is no fear driving me to religion, and I am no longer a practicing christian in an organized manner of belief. So, if it isn't driving me to believe in a religion, why should it be an important fact in why people are members of a church? Truth is, people who are a member of a religion and partiscipate in it, are also socializing with other people, who believe as they do, who are trying to be good people, and this feeds the social side of man. For we are social animals, and evolved as social animals. This socializing, and you would be surprised at how many people lack a social life, is actually a positive thing, perhaps even for psychological health, given we evolved as social animals. My point is that people are members of a religion for more than just the religion. In the rural area that I grew up in, the church was where neighbors got to talk and socialize on sunday, as most were farmers and stayed close to the farm. It was the backbone of the farm community. And of course in these gatherings, everyone was always on their best behavior. lol

 

Don't you comment on the biblical fairy tale more than any other? The biblical fairy tale is my favorite. It has the best stories. The Book of Mormon and the Jewish Babylonian Talmud suck. The Koran is ridiculous.

So are you saying that the Bible isn't your favorite ethnocentric Middle Eastern Jewish religious fairy tale or are you saying that you aren't ignorant about it?

 

Thanks for the detailed post. Agreed people join religions for their own reasons. IMHO, there is a human drive to seek spirituality. Religion is just a tool to the spiritual path much like choosing a martial art form is a path to self-confidence and self-defense. The goal is greater spiritual awareness or self-defense, respectively, not to dictate to others that their path is the only path.

I, too, am not a church-goer and do not belong to an organized religion despite what two of our resident atheist idiots keep screaming about me.....although I have loosely organized my own religion: PZGC - Panentheist Zen Gnostic Christianity. Currently the membership = 1, but I'm now on a recruiting drive.

 

Only because the biggest ****** bags post against it as you noted in your post. If they posted against Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism or other religions, I'd be in there too. Obviously you're anger is not at me, but the person in the mirror. You see in me what you are actually looking at in the mirror. That's not true, obviously since the fact I refute anti-Christian morons has nothing to do with condoning all Christian practices, specifically the ones previously noted. Likewise, I do not condemn all 1.6 Billion Muslims for the beliefs and actions of a small percentage of violent asshats nor do I condemn all atheists who are not actively attacking others with differing beliefs. I only confront the haters, the hypocrites and the wildly sickfucks who spread lies against others.

Does this answer your question, WoG? Need I go on?

 

Sounds like where I am spiritually, if one wants to use that loaded term. I seek the unconditioned mind. And have yet to discover it. But the seeking is rewarding. And it makes one question who this seeker is, and is he apart, different, from that which he seeks?

 

Hmm, their is/was quite a debate about the "Pauline" version of things.

 

YOU are in for a very rude awakening. You poor fool. God does not answer to you. You must answer to Him. And you will. Jesus paid the price for our sin. All we need to do is accept His generous gift and follow Him. So if some queer doesn't go to Heaven, it's their own damn fault. Isn't it?

 

God could have prevented sin from existing, but instead chose to put humans at risk. I have no doubt it is true when they say God loves us. But it is clear He cares more about Himself and His plans then our well being. Jesus' sacrifice served to save us from something that God allowed to exist in the first place.

 

You state that God could have prevented sin from existing, but didn't. Try thinking about that. Let's say that He did just that. Wouldn't that have taken away our free will? Sin was a result of disobedience. This disobedience was the result of free will. Also, there is the fact that Jesus paid the price for that sin. All you have to do is accept His free gift and follow Him. That's all there is to it. If anyone goes to hell it is the result of sinful pride, because they have rejected that gift.

 

I see what you are trying to say. Though I don't think free will is worth it if those of us who disagree with God's ideology have to suffer for simply having a difference of opinion. Not that I'm in complete disagreement with that concept. I have syncretic totalitarian political beliefs. The difference is that I'd be reacting to something that is outside my control. I didn't give other people the ability to disagree with my views.

I would rather be safe than have free will at the cost of being at risk. God seems to place us in this situation to having "willing servants" at the expense of everyone who doesn't want to be one. He could even had offered the mercy of erasing the souls of us who don't agree with Him.

 

So, what it boils down to, if I'm reading you correctly, is that you have a problem with authority. Too bad. You have two choices. Repent and receive eternal life with your Creator, or reject Christ and suffer for eternity. BTW, your opinion does not matter in the slightest. You are a sinner. According to Scripture, you are being judged for rejecting Christ. You are being judged for not acknowledging your sin and your need for redemption. In other words, your sinful pride is getting in the way. Your pride will be the death of you. Literally.

 

In a way, it's is easy for you to be dismissive of any issues one has with God's authority because you agree with Him. If you look at human history, people with the same views as the one with absolute power tend to benefit from the regime. Also, if someone above you tried to impose laws that were against your opinions, wouldn't it be fair to say you have a problem with authority as well? If I was able to confirm that what I do and think is sin, then I would aknowledge it as such. The same goes for a need for redemption. The issue is that without clear communication with God, I can't be sure of this. Besides, I don't follow Christianity because I can't agree with it's teachings. And I can't in good conscience, agree with God's treatment of our species (despite my own feelings towards humanity). If this is all true, than it would be better for everyone to stop reproducing immediately due to the danger of the situation.

 

God has communicated with you. Ever read the Bible? It's all in there. And just what do you disagree with God about? Be specific.

 

Agreed with the first bolded statement, disagreed with the second.

Although modern Christian ideology does push the punishment aspect, Jesus didn't say any of that. It comes from Paul and, of course, those who not only formed the first major Christian church, Catholicism, be eliminated all contenders as heretics.

IMHO, the proper way to look at the situation is by considering the nature of evil. Is Evil a force all unto its own or is it like darkness which is simply the absence of light? A lot of comments are made in the Bible about light and darkness. Darkness is not a force, it's just a place with no light. Light is a force. From that POV, God is the light. God's grace is the light. A person may choose to step into the light or stay in the darkness. If God is truly all loving, all merciful and all knowing, then a person may stay in the darkness for as long as they like, but if they choose to step into the light, back into God's grace, then they would be accepted warmly like the Prodigal son (or daughter).

On you second bolded comment, I completely disagree. Safety is an illusion. As humans we all die. Tech could make us live to be a 1000 years old, but we will still die. Accidents still happen. All religions which speak of an afterlife speak about how we live now affecting our eternal life. As stated above, I do not take that as punishment, but a choice. You have the choice. You are not being judged. You are simply living with the consequences of your choice. It's that simple.