Can Sore Losers Destroy Democracy?

Hillary Clinton's personality was off-putting to many voters, yet she still attracted the votes of nearly 3 million more Americans than her opponent in the 2016 presidential election.

 

That's because she piled up big majorities in California, New York and Illinois, which are all deep blue states. No Republican has any chance in a state-wide race in any of those states, which is sad. One party rule often leads to corruption.

 

She received the voted of nearly 3 million more Americans, and undoubtedly wishes a few more had lived in states she narrowly lost - Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Florida. Location, location, location.

Meanwhile, Trump's feeble defense continues to crumble:

Even when he was president, Donald Trump lacked the legal authority to declassify a U.S. nuclear weapons-related document that he is charged with illegally possessing, security experts said, contrary to the former U.S. president’s claim.

The secret document, listed as No. 19 in the indictment charging Trump with endangering national security, can under the Atomic Energy Act only be declassified through a process that by the statute involves the Department of Energy and the Department of Defense.

For that reason, the experts said, the nuclear document is unique among the 31 in the indictment because the declassification of the others is governed by executive order. 

“The claim that he (Trump) could have declassified it is not relevant in the case of the nuclear weapons information because it was not classified by executive order but by law,” said Steven Aftergood, a government secrecy expert with the Federation of American Scientists.

The special status of nuclear-related information further erodes what many legal experts say is a weak defense centered around declassification. Without providing evidence, Trump has claimed he declassified the documents before removing them from the White House.

Prosecutors likely will argue that declassification is irrelevant because Trump was charged under the Espionage Act, which predates classification and criminalizes the unauthorized retention of "national defense information," a broad term covering any secrets that could be helpful to the nation's enemies.

[https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/t...nuclear-arms-document-experts-say/ar-AA1cIs7b]
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Thank the Gods for that

 

Ignoring your counterpart's arguments-- when he specifically says that *he is NOT exonerating anyone, but only pointing to the real power behind the threat-- is, unfortunately not a novel way, on this forum, of conducting an argument; Trump supporters use it, all the time.

DEFinning said: ↑
Trump and Lake...

Who the hell was absolving them of anything?
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If that is your disingenuous way if arguing , I take it as proof of both that you have no confidence, yourself, in the strength of your argument, to be able to present it, without deceitfully misrepresenting the counterargument, and that, this being the case, you are clearly not worth my time, as there will be no honest discussion, from you.

Goodbye.

 

These revelations clearly wreaks havoc with the already ludicrous defense that the sexual abuser can will declassification of documents at any time:

“The claim that he (Trump) could have declassified it is not relevant in the case of the nuclear weapons information because it was not classified by executive order but by law,” said Steven Aftergood, a government secrecy expert with the Federation of American Scientists.

[https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/t...nuclear-arms-document-experts-say/ar-AA1cIs7b]
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Trump conceded, on tape, that he could not declassify the documents, and had not done so before the American electorate gave him the boot at its first opportunity:.

“See as president, I could have declassified it...
Now I can’t, you know, but this is still a secret.”
[https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...t-document-classified-key-takeaways-rcna88611]


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The conservative judge who convinced Mike Pence he could not overturn the 2020 election has predicted “the beginning of the end of Donald Trump” – the former president who incited the January 6 insurrection but is now trying to return to the White House...​

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“What Nixon did was just an ordinary crime,” Luttig said, referring to the cover-up of a break-in at Democratic headquarters. “What Trump has done is quite arguably the worst crime against the United States that a president could commit.”​

[https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jan/31/trump-beginning-end-judge-predicts]
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Sadly, you need to be informed that your "reply," in its entirety, is non sequitur to my post. Your premise for this thread was that it was the "sore loser" candidates who could destroy democracy. I pointed out that they could do no such thing, without the support of their sore loser FOLLOWERS. You then misrepresented this, as my "exonerating" the lying candidates of any blame, which of course even a child can see, was not what I was saying. I therefore said it was pointless to continue a conversation with someone operating in your disingenuous manner. And you respond to this, with some diatribe-- off-topic, in your own thread-- about the Trump classified documents? Please try to get a clue...or at least leave me out of things, until you do get one.

 

History is teeming with tyrants succeeding in accruing followers. That's a given.

 

Is this your own exonerating, then, of those followers, for their actions in support of these tyrants?

 

It’s not just Trump or Kari Lake and few others, it is more then 60% republican today do not believe Joe Biden is legitimately elected President. The other 40% republican who accept Joe Biden as legitimately elected official, they can’t even tell the other 60% that “they are wrong”

Look at the post from @JohnHamilton , I read his other post, he knows election was not fraud, he knows Biden is legitimately elected President. Yet he will defend Trump , j6 terrorist, 147 ( 55% elected official) member of congress who wanted to overturn election result. .

Entire party is corrupt. They know end is near. They will do anything to stay in power as long as they can. They know they can’t win natonal election legitimately anymore after 2036.

 

Rod Rosenstein, a lifelong Republican stated the Russia investigation in DOJ.

James Comey, a lifelong Republican stated the Russia investigation in FBI

Sen Richard Burr, Sen Lindsey Graham and Sen John McCain started Russia investigation in Senate.

Robert Muller , a lifelong Republican investigate the Russia investigation under special council.


It seems to me Republican didn’t like Trump as POTUS.

 

No, we elected the ham sandwich down here in PA with Fetterman. What a terrible choice that seat came down to. Fetterman or Oz. Both of them are ham sandwiches. And not good ham, it's spam. That sat in a truck trailer that got left in the sun for months.

 

So the main difference, as you saw it, was that one of the sandwiches was made with domestic ham, while the meat for the other, was imported from Turkey?
(Did that make the Oz sandwich, in reality, "Turkey ham?")

 

A good point-Trump attacked establishment RINOS as much as he did the Democrats

 

Everyone is RINO or Establishment republican if they don’t bow down to “ Johny come late republican” Trump.

John McCain the RINO was fighting conservative idea for 5o years while Trump was financing Chuck Schumer and Clinton political campaign, and over 60 million Republican lined up and Voted for RINO McCain in 2008 election.

 

Trump was a flawed candidate but the country is far better off that he won instead of that disgusting POS Hillary

 

Can you list 3 things Hilary did that are disgusting to you?

 

1) she most likely was involved in the deaths of people who had dirt on the clintons
2) she failed our ambassador when he was killed
3) she pushed for the clinton gun ban and for her husband to appoint anti gun judges and justices
4) she was a carpetbagger who was the ultimate hypocrite-an alleged feminist whose entire success was due to riding the coattails of her husband
5) she's a hateful POS on top of that-example-when AF One landed in Texas, an honor guard was there. One of the soldiers had earned the medal of honor. The governor (IIRC) pointed that out to chelsea who started talking to the highly decorated hero. Hillary grabbed Chelsea and said "we're not here to talk to the help"
6) SS, FBI, and other agents I ran into during my Justice Dept career, noted how hateful Hillary was towards Law enforcement agents and those in uniform. she treated them as inferiors in the white house. even democrats noted this-they also noted that Barbara Bush treated everyone like family and as social equals.

 

Speaking of Blue States strangle hold on elections...

In California:
California had 22 million registered "Last Known Address" voters for 2020.
Newsom's opponent, Dahle, got 4.5 million (20% of electorate),
Newsom got 6.5 million or (30% of the electorate).
That is 50% of the outstanding ballots.
The other 50% of ballots were "Out in the wind".

Of course none of the 11 million ballots "in the wind" could have possibly got voted. Ballot harvesters would never do such a thing.

Newsom won a second term as Calif Guv @30% because no one bothers to vote anymore. They just move to "free states". Cal-Gav thinks he will be a real national player. LOL

 

In another word you have nothing. Thank you proving my point that conservative and Qanon will believe and say anything to make others side look bad.


Only disgusting things is conservatives will believe and say anything without any facts or shred of evidence.

 

wow, you ignore all that. you deny she pushed the clinton gun ban
you deny she pushed his judicial nominations

OK

 

one of the goals of gun banning Democrats is to force those who vote against them because of gun rights to move to other states

 

Cal-Gav is a national player because he's a Democrat leading the bluest Democrat state, and "he looks like a president" just like Warren G. Harding did in 1920.



California has supplied the former Speaker of the House, the Vice President, one of the nation's two best known governors (DeSantis is the other one) and the House majority leader. California has too much political influence in my opinion.

 

All the people moving from IL, NY, CA to “Free state” , they are not voting according to people in “Free State”. They are voting like people in IL, NY and CA and turning each Big city – Atlanta, Phoenix, Austin in deep Blue City. .

These migrants from Deep blue state coming to RED state, bringing their Organic grocery store like Whole Food, their gourmet coffee shop , Sushi Bar, Yoga, LGBTQ parade. These migrants getting involve in local school and library and bringing books and teaching like CRT, LGBTQ and all the things you hate about Blue State. They are electing Liberal Senator like Warnock and Ossoff.

These migrants from Deep blue state making Big Blue city in middle of RED state and changing the EC vote – GA was a Rubby Red state 10 years ago. Today it is a purple state. AZ was reliably Red state, today it is a swing state. TX is still a RED state, but Dems are losing State wide race by 5% now.

And here is the beauty- Nothing, nothing any conservative can do about it. Thes migrants are bringing millions and millions dollar with them, buying property with top $$$$ and opening up shop, bringing jobs .. which by the way, young conservative appreciate in those RED state. And once those young conservative tests the lifestyle of Blue state, they too want to be Liberal.

 

None of them are disgusting. Only sad part is Clinton Gun ban didn’t go far enough. Judicial nominee didn’t go far enough. She tried but couldn’t make it happen.