Can you agree? No government vaccine mandates until pharmaceutical companies become liable

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  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    No one was "forced to buy health insurance," of course.

    Those who can afford it but refuse to comply with the Affordable Care Act (ACA) pay a penalty to defray the potential cost of their medical care.

    The ACA has the support of the majority of Americans. (The most recent KFF Tracking Poll conducted in December 2020 found 53% of the public hold a favorable opinion of the ACA while 34% hold a negative opinion.)

     
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    Because most are now vaccinated. Nevertheless, the unvaccinated comprise most admissions requiring icu and/or dying from Covid.
     
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    Where? Can you cite them?
     
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    There is much that is wrong with "the lawsuit system in America," no doubt, but the Former Guy had hyped "Operation Warp Speed" that exempted Pharma from liability.

    On September 21, 2020, HHS Secretary Alex Azar told FOX Business that all Operation Warp Speed vaccine manufacturers, would be exempt from liability for any damages their vaccines may cause and that those who administer their vaccines would also not be liable for damages.

    "Under the PREP Act, any treatment or vaccine for purposes of a national emergency pandemic like this actually comes with liability protection - the product as well as those who administer it or provide it," Azar stated during the televised interview.

    The PREP Act that Azar referenced was originally signed into law in 2005 but was updated this past April, a few weeks before Operation Warp Speed was announced, so that vaccine and therapeutic manufacturers, "cannot be sued for money damages in court" over injuries caused by medical countermeasures for Covid-19.

    https://bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia3/ciencia_coronavirus230.htm#:~:text=This concern is further compounded by the fact,vaccines would also not be liable for damages.

    Of course, the vaccines were and are still subject to approval by the Federal Drug Administration before they become available to the public and, no, for all intensive purposes, you can't sue the FDA.

    Meanwhile, does Big Pharma have a stranglehold on Congress? Clearly. That is why Americans are forced to pay far higher prices for prescription medications than in all advanced nations.

     
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    Just the first Duck Duck go search result I see (because google is really good at burying this stuff)

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    End of July: 71% of the 118 seriously ill Israelis (serious, critical) were fully vaccinated!
    Study: COVID-19 Vaccines INCREASE Deaths and Hospitalizations from COVID-19 Based on Analysis of Most-Vaccinated Countries | peckford42 (wordpress.com)
     
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    It's Rand Paul and there's a whole trail of evidence proving it's about this coronavirus.

    Make an impossible condition to write-off that there was plenty prior, during and now? That's really bad logic.
     
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    Hard to disagree with anything you said except the paid leave option. It should be unpaid leave. So many are being kicked out of their jobs, like nurses who contracted, survived and have antibodies from hospital, while double vaccinated nurses who are currently infected are being called back to work. It's so backwards. These front liners who worked restlessly throughout the first year are not being paid and they were trying to save lives with the protocols they were given, limted or not, while Fauci's decisions could have sparked this whole thing. He should not be getting a red cent until a complete investigation ensues and in all likelihood points to him as culprit or one of, for personal gain no less.

    It's really hard to understand why anyone trusts him anymore, especially in lieu of his and Collins emails, both of which acknowledged they said what the emails revealed and went onto trying to dismiss it as normal operating procedures.
     
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    Where?
     
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    There are ALWAYS multiple ways to look at things and arrange the evidence and I think it's important to seek out opposing views, but, we also need to keep straight where we are in the fact fixing process, and we aren't at the conclusion stage, not by a long shot. @CenterField is a very knowledgeable poster here and he can take the same evidence set and reasonably arrange it in a manner where Fauci has made errors and missteps but nothing that would even remotely put his medical license at risk, case Zero may have been in Wuhan, but not necessarily, if it was, it's not necessarily from the lab, it could be from the caves, where someone entered them, got infected, and then went to Wuhan and started spreading it.

    I think Fauci has done a very poor job, there is evidence that he went after the reputations of some who held views that differed from his, and we should have heard from him, immediately, what the situation was with US funding of work in Wuhan on coronaviruses.

    Generally if someone is put on leave and it's uncertain whether they actually did anything wrong, it's paid, and then as evidence is sifted through, it only moves to unpaid if it starts to look like separation will be in order.
     
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    I think at this point if there is any doubt that Fauci did what he did fully knowing what he was doing, with purpose, intent and by design, he should not only be relieved of his duties but charged.

    I'd carefully take what centerfield says with a grain of salt. He is myopic in his vision.
     
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    The Wuhan research and our COVID virus both involved a spike protein in the furin cleavage, not seen in nature. The random chances of this new evolution in a virus coincidentally happening at the same time labs are creating such a virus would be tiny.
    AND China erased from databases genomic sequences from the Wuhan research that were previously open records and gemome sequences from the first COVID cases in humans found in China. We would have no way of knowing if the genome was the same or different.
     
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    Or they can skip the liberal indoctrination and be home schooled that focuses on the basics........without the politically correct crapola they are taught in failing public schools.
     
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    You'd think it would be wildly popular.....why isn't it? Do you have an ACA Policy?
     
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    I totally agree with the OP. If the vaccine is to be "mandatory," it should be open to liability suits.
     
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    ~ This is very reasonable and should be expected. The fact it is not I find very suspicious ...
     
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    I believe a fund is set aside to preclude court. You can’t just start suing a treatment that 90% of the benefit from. It is just too big.
     
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    After the Cry Baby Loser (distracted by making Mexico pay for his "big, beautiful wall!"?) failed to keep his vow to repeal the Affordable Care Act and replace it with "something terrific!", its popularity with the American People increased to the point that no Republican legislator is now parroting Trump's opposition to it or proposing any alternative.

    Despite the mindless veneration of weird worshipers, the record is what it is:
     
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    A false statement you make.
     
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    Plus it is to keep the costs of vaccines down.
     
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    I have a private belief that “home schooling” is responsible for some of the more notorious American knowledge deficits

     
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    None of which has anything to do with the topic of this thread. It appears to me like you're trying to derail the thread. Please stop.
     
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    Post your proof please.
     

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