Capitalism has failed...confirmed

This system of the "take care of the rich" and the mentality that the right wing professes and tries to beat everybody else over their heads with every day, has failed miserably, as I have repeatedly expressed here. This article partially explains why.
The rich are doing great....everybody else has been condemned to their sadism.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/feb/05/inequality-leads-to-economic-collapse

PinkSlip Romney in 2012! Express your desire to destroy your neighbors!

 

Other than your vitriolic bile the OP is without content. Pitiful, really? I do understand your willingness to destroy everyone if it might benefit you.

 

My vitriolic bile is well deserved by the people that have destroyed this great country for their personal excesses and super profit. I understand your portfolio speaks for you and the disconnect your side has for the rest of the world. I don't expect those that have made a killing destroying society to get it. My post is for the benefit of those that are undecided and can't sift through the BS of the mega wealthy propaganda, Fox and the GOP.

 

This country is "destroyed"??

Seems to be working in most respects IMO.

 

Yup....'cept for your fat cat idols. They're all doin' pretty well. It's just the rest of us that are screwed.

 

I'm far from screwed. I'm actually quite happy. Perhaps you lack something in your life?

Perhaps an education? A job? A life?

 

No...no I'm satisfied with my life. Good family, I vote against republicans at every opportunity, and never watch Fox so, I'm good. Rich? Nope, and probably never will be. I do lack piles of cash to securely sew up my family's future but, it feels pretty good not taking any more than I have to in life. God will work it out...I'm confident.


How about you? What year did you last enjoy humanity?

 

I think the problem is really just that people keep trying to put capitalism in charge of aspects of the economy that it shouldn't be in charge of.

We accept that capitalism isn't how we should organize the military. But for some reason, we have trouble accepting that capitalism isn't how we should organize health care. We know that we shouldn't ration the ammo according to capitalist principles. But we do want to ration the medicine that way.

Capitalism is not the way to run the entire economy. Lots of it, certainly. Most of it, maybe. But not the entire thing.

 

unregulated capitalism has failed, but people still want to get rich that is why the dodd frank bill did not meet the left wings expectations for proper regulations

 

I simply don't trust the US Government to run health care in anything near an efficient manner, or with customer service in mind rather than saving money.

Americans will flip their (*)(*)(*)(*)ing wigs the minute they go to the doctor and demand their diazepam and get told that they don't qualify for it.

American health care, for all its flaws, is at least "on demand". If you want it, as long as you can pay for it, you can get it.

I also don't like the idea of Society taking ownership of my body and the life decisions I make with it in such a detailed manner. UHC gives society the moral right to question how I treat my body in ways I have no wish to allow them.

 

What the right is pushing isn't capitalism, so no capitalism hasn't failed, but corporatism is going just fine.

 

No difference to them my friend. Money is money is money, and the more of it, despite how it's gotten, is always the greater good. Crapitalism, corporatism, fraud, fancy book keeping....whatever. It's all good to them.

 

No there is a difference. What we have today is a system of government that supports large corporations at the expense of everyone else. That's not capitalism. There is nothing wrong with a fair system of trade, however there is a problem with favoritism.

 

I don't know man. The lines have become so muddied, and big money so firmly entrenched everywhere, I can't see where the line is any more. If crapitalism was ever any good, it's dead now anyway. Corporate interests have replaced that concept, much like the Constitution was replaced with the Patriot Act. Maybe it's that word "fair" and the corporation legally being a "person", and the Supreme court advocating cash is king over everyone and everything. Just my observation. Regardless, the "system" is broken beyond repair and needs to be rebuilt from scratch.

 

But since the government would be less concerned with turning a profit, doesn't that mean that saving money would be less of a concern? The government tends to be (at least) a little more free with everyone's money than anyone likes. I don't think they would suddenly reverse that trend.

Americans are pretty used to that, actually. They're constantly told that they don't qualify financially. And yes, they're flipping their wigs.

That's not practically on demand. Only philosophically. And with a pretty huge qualifier, you have to admit.

Perfectly legitimate concern. I don't see why you think UHC gives society any moral rights, though. It gives them absolutely zero right to tell people what to eat, what to do or how to live. Society already thinks it has that right, but I disagree with it now and I disagree that universal health care gives anyone any rights over anyone else. Practically speaking, I expect it to have the opposite effect.

 

I don't disagree, things are totally (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up right now. Like the constitution vs the patriot act though don't let this situation destroy the concepts of capitalism. Even though it is violated daily I still think the ideas put forth in the bill of rights are great ideas. Yeah its easy to get jaded, but we all need to try to continue to push forth the good while calling out the bad.

 

What's the difference, again?

Everybody's isms seem confused.

 

Well, I don't think it's possible to separate the green corporate monster from daily life. I think we've lost and the corporations have won. Jaded perhaps, but that is the reality IMO. Cancer that cannot be removed successfully without killing the already doomed patient.

 

I'd say that rightist-style capitalism would fail, but geoist-style capitalism would probably not, and if it did, it would take a lot more time for it to happen, by comparison.

 

Any economic system is always twisted and trumped by the political system as those in power try to use the economy as a way to gain more power and to adjust society to their views. What we have in this country is country has some of the basic ingredients of capitalism, involuntary trade and private property, but after that it takes more a turn toward fascism. It has been corrupted by the political elite.

A geoist-style of capitalism would undoubtedly go the same way as those in power always try to maintain and grow their power. Its an inevitable part of human nature as we are all greedy creatures. The largest foley of any economic system is pairing it with a strong government.

 

Even if so, that wouldn't happen nearly as quickly, assuming people actually followed geoist capitalism. Resources and wealth wouldn't get bottled up in the hands of unproductive land renters.

 

In theory, but things never work out in life as seen on paper. Also to get to your type of system you would have to force those who own the land now to give it up or take it by force. Not very realistic.

 

Display examples of unlawful and illegal behaviour - or at least unConstitutional behaviour - and we'll join you to eradicate it. What you're doing is typical for your posts: lots of bluster without cite or specificity.

And it's hypocrisy regardless: if we were to accept your premise that there are "such people", wouldn't you be one of them? You're looking to gain something from your stated position as well - looking to enrich yourself at the direct expense of the people you supposedly revile (without naming)...

...so how are you any different than the caricatures you've constructed to attack?

Name names, and specific acts, or your diarrhetic rants mean nothing.

 

So...Obama et al aren't Corporatists? He of the $30K/plate Wall Street hobnobbing? You find your wind to condemn "the right", but make no mention of anything - or anyone - else.

Why?

 

Capitalism hasn't failed, communism has failed. What's wrong with capitalism is government interference of capitalism.

While business needs oversight to make sure they don't cheat, capitalism works best with little government interference. Our country is in the shape they are in now, mainly because of government interference. I have point out many times what that interference was.