Catalan President Carlos Puigdemont ARRESTED in Germany

Then stop being that yandex btch and do something if you can... Lol...

 

You talk rubbish again.

German law does not allow any EU citizen to obtain asylum.

And i must bust your next bubble. Chancellor Merkels speaker said today, that Germany has full trust in the spanish justice system and the historic good relations between Madrid and Berlin.

This comment can be seen as order from Merkel. The judge knows what is expected from him.

Its also clear what spin our government twists it. We have a law that punishs high treason §82 StGB. And with that he can be deported to Spain.

As for your link with quotes from the left party, they are not government and have almost no votes in Germany. Who do you quote next? The rabbit breeder association?

Its clear we will give this guy to Madrid and be done with it.

 

Excuse me, are you mentally deficient or something? I don't remeber addressing you in any shape of form. Yandex??? What are you on about Kurdish boy?

 

Haud yer wheesht with the abuse. I suggest you take this up with the German paper which reported it.

and in this you have once again disclosed your authoritarian mindset. The Scottish Government has made very clear that it cannot in any way interfere with the decision over Carla Ponsati despite everyone wanting Nicola to. This is a decision which must be made by our courts. The Government cannot interfere with their Independence.

What you are saying is that Germany does not have an Independent Judiciary. You are premature in your belief that you are under a Dictator.

You do. However your high treason as I quoted above is "defined as using force or the threat of force to undermine the constitutional order" Pugdemont did not use force.

I can't find who the Members of your Parliament are who you have so little respect for and consider worth nothing more than rabbits. I did however read there were also protests made by German's. It probably was to their ears Merkel was speaking, not your belief that she is the Dictator of Germany and can demand how your courts work. Although it is clear that you believe you already have a dictatorship, that is not the case. How many German's are of your mentality I do not know but I do know that it most certainly is not them all. If you go that way as I have already said the only EU a fascist Germany will be united with will be a franco Spain - old times again.

http://catalannews.com/politics/item/finnish-mps-against-extradition-of-puigdemont

He is currently in court. We will wait to see if he is released on bail.

 

What you say is delusional. When police searched offices in Barcelona Puidgemont ordered demonstrations and those demonstrations got violent. Beside that Merkel also has plan B. The 2nd option is charging him to misuse of tax money. His illegal referendum cost 200 million €.

Anyways since Merkels own speaker said today that we have great relations with Mdrid and fully trust their justice system, we know whats going to happen.

That said, if Marid demands him, we will give him. We wont risk deiplomatic relations with a core ally.

 

Ha ha poor Alexa, just now news come in. Court decided Puidgemont stays in prison

https://www.focus.de/politik/deutsc...uigdemont-bleibt-in-gewahrsam_id_8673485.html

 

Wait he held a legal vote to declare independence? No guns violence or calls to bomb the leaders? Sounds like the dictatorship of Spain and the EU prevailed over the right of a people.

 

Which part exactly?

 

The spanish constitution, which also was affirmed by the catalunyia province doesnt allow such a referendum. The referendum was illegal.

And what right of the people? All polls say 60% are pro spain and dont want independence. Hell 40% of people there come from other spanish regions.

He used 200 million € tax money for his illegal referendum.

And whats with the EU? Germany arrested this guy. The Eu said from day one that this referendum is illegal.

 

so only those who approve are allowed to post here in your opinion.... how fortunately I don't care for your opinion

 

Yes, I am aware of that. The issue is not whether you are correct and Germany does not have an Independent Judiciary, the issue is one of human rights and the EU and as such could easily be something to finish the EU off. Obviously given that he was only arrested the previous day his lawyer will not have had long to prepare his case. I am aware that Spain deliberately wanted him arrested in Germany as it believes that your justice system is more aligned with theirs. What is also interesting is that I heard on twitter that May wants to continue putting her word behind Spain. This is in no way surprising.

So the situation in Scotland with Carla Ponsati is seen somewhat differently. According to her lawyer Aamer Anwar who is considered our best lawyer on human rights, literally hundreds of thousands of Scots have been expressing their solidarity with her on social media something which he said had humbled them both. There is the additional issue that if as looks extremely possible Corbyn has been made impotent then the possibility of another Independence vote in Scotland is extremely likely and it is widely held here that May would try something like this with Scotland rather than allow us to continue acting in a democratic way as Scotland unlike Catalonia was allowed last time.

What both Pugdemont and Ponsati and other exiles finding themselves in a similar position are going to indicate is the extent to which the EU still believes in its own conventions and those of the UN. So far everyone has stood up for democratic rights and human rights with Germany certainly from what you say being the exception.

St Andrews University one of the top university's in the world where Carla Ponsati works as Professor of Economics has already come out with its concerns.

One of our labour MEP's has written to Juncker asking him to condemn Spains use of the European Arrest Warrant in a political dispute

all reported in this Guardian article

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...minister-to-hand-herself-into-scottish-police

From what I hear she will be giving herself into the police tomorrow and hopefully will then receive bail back out again.

She is being charged with 'Rebellion with Violence against the Unity of the Spanish State' a crime which carries a sentence of 30 years which would mean for her almost certainly the rest of her life in Prison. He will argue that she, as Catatonia's Education Minister, was simply peacefully promoting a Referendum. That this is a political issue in which Spain is trying to criminalise 2,000,000 Catalonians for their democratic aspirations.

He says Scotland believes in freedom of expression and although Spain is a member of the European Convention of Human Rights it was visible to everyone how Spain did not allow the people of Catalonia freedom to have their voice at the Referendum. He said Spain could have chosen just to ignore the Referendum but instead it sent into Catalonia a militarised police which attacked and brutalised people simply for trying to vote. When the Spanish Government found out they were unable to brutalise and terrorise the Catalonian people into submission they decided to go after their politicians with the intent of imprisoning them for their political opinions.

He says Carla was totally peaceful in what was not even a protest but a referendum in which the people of Catalonia acted in a peaceful manner, many for instance raising their hands when being met with the brutality of Spain. The violence did not come from Carla or even from the Catalonians who have always acted peacefully but from the Spanish Regime. He believes that given the lack of Independence in Spain between the Government and its judiciary that she could not possibly receive a fair trial and he also believes that there is no reason to believe that her human rights will be protected.

and then he will start to pick things apart.

He looks like he is going to particularly emphasise how extraordinary it is that in an Union which is supposed to be democratic and believe in free speech and human rights, Catalonian politicians with a different view are almost all either in exile or in jail. He will also mention Spain's seeming movement back to Francoism, which,from what you say that is supported by Germany. He said it is unbelievable that this is happening and rather than being the top thing on our news each day it is hardly seen.

I am hopeful this is going to be good work.

This is beginning to really take off now on twitter all around Europe. I think this is going to become much more outspoken and we are going to see which European countries really believe in Democracy and everything that goes with it. It will be interesting to see where Germany comes in this.

 

It wasn't legal as far as Spain is concerned. They sent in militarised police who beat up the protesters, pulled them out of polling stations by the hair, stole the ballot papers and generally attacked and brutalised the people trying to scare them to have a different political opinion. When this didn't work they went against the politicians forcing them to exile or putting them in jail....but so far the only country that seems to support Spain which people believe is returning to Francoism are the Germans as far as Sobo says. The Westminster PM also appears to be supporting this oppression. However one of them is in Scotland and Scotland will do everything it can to make sure the European Arrest Warrant is not abused to arrest political descent. Belgium had already been offering Puigdemont protection and was angry that the suppression of political rights in the EU was going with barely a word of Protest. Several Finnish Parliamentarians have contacted Germany to express their concern and apparently Denmark has already refused to arrest him. I have a feeling this could become a far bigger threat to the EU than the far right.

 

No, actually the law is clear. As long Spain demands his head, we will serve it, when what he did is also a crime in Germany.

Both things he is called for, High treason and also theft of tax money is also a crime in Germany. That the court did order him to prison shows where this goes.

Beside that, Germany doesnt direct its foreign relations to the opinion of non states like Scotland.

Denmark btw did help to arrest him.

I also will tell you a secret...99% of Europeans give a **** about this.

 

I thought fascism had ended in Germany but now I see it just has a new name.

 

Following the law is facism today?

 

LOL,

if you are an AFD member than I'm Imperator of China.
And your continuously insults of opponents prove your lack of intellect.

 

Really...no different in other EU states, Poland, Italy, ??

 

Right, so he stages a "referendum", uses state coffers $$$$ for this, loses, then goes on the run, looking/talking to anyone who will listen. Didn't have the guts to stick around, left his supporters to face the music!?!.

 

The worst part is, that for the left laws are not laws anymore. Its like a advice you can follow or ignore.

The law states he did criminal things, Stole money and initiated an illegal, violent referendum. Spain issued a warrant. Germany can not ignore this warrant. We have to follow laws.

What do liberal left think? Laws can be ignored if they dont like them.

And this way of thinking is in all areas. Let all migrants in, beside law doesnt allow it. Who cares! Stop deportations, even so when law demands it...

What we have with the left is a reign of injustice

 

Well, Scotland will not be trying Carla in just the same way as Germany will not be trying Puigdemont. We will only be looking at whether it is appropriate to send Carla back and whether she can expect a fair trial. That will depend on whether we have laws which are equivalent and whether we believe that Spain is a safe place to send her to where she will receive a just trial. Anwar recognises that there may be a difficulty with some people assuming that just because Spain is in the EU and has signed up to human rights laws there should be no problem It is not like sending her back to a third world country and there may well be people who need to be convinced to understand the position of Spain in this matter. However the evidence is already there that she will not get a fair trial. That evidence is there from the way they have been treated already. If Germany no longer cares about such things and about whether there is Independence of the Judiciary in Spain, something which is an imperative for a fair trial, we do.

This is a lie. The only people who were violent were the Militarised police who Spain sent in to attack people who were trying to cast a vote they had voted people into their Parliament for. No violence on the side of Puigdemont or Carla. That is a non Starter. The whole world saw who was violent and it was the militarised Police sent in by Spain against peaceful voters. No one forced Spain to do this. That was Spain's choice and Spain is the culpable one there. That a European State violently stops people from carrying out a vote and that the Politicians who have been voted into Parliament by the people now find themselves either in jail or in exile for the political views they were voted in for is not an example of a European Western Liberal Democracy. What it is it is more a sign of a Franco Dictatorship.

You have to remember how things got to this position. Catalonia suffered hell under Franco. For 40 years their people had been working to get their rights back and to come to a situation where they felt they had the autonomy and rights they needed. In 2006 the Catalonian Parliament came up with a paper to this effect. This went to a Referendum of the Catalonian people who voted yes for it. That went to the Government of Spain who rubber stamped it and it became law. This was the only time that Spain has been run by a party which was not full of followers of Franco. When they managed to get re-elected in the next election they went back on some of these conditions and these conditions were extremely important to the Catalonian people and without a word to them things that were one day law and law which the Catalonians had worked hard for for forty years were no longer so. That is what gave rise to the interest in Independence. Democracies do not act like that.

Spain has let Catalonia down, now it must let it go

and your and Germany's ignoring of this illustrates simply that either you cannot be bothered to find out about it or you are intent in sending Politicians back to a fascist government, because in this that is what Spain is, rather than having any Independence of her Judiciary. This is not sending people back for trial for being murderers or drug addicts or some other criminal. This is sending people to be sent to jail for the rest of their lives because of their political views. This is sending people to go to jail for the rest of their lives because as politicians they were serving the people that elected them.

Having destroyed the Government that the People of Catalonia had voted in and sent many of them to jail, Spain arranged another election in Catalonia. Did Spain honour that election? No she did not because the vote did not go the way Spain wanted. Spain may operate as a democracy in some areas but there is no way she is operating as a democracy in this. Democracies do not have most of a Government either in jail waiting life sentences or in exile because of what they were voted in for. It is not how Democracies work.

Anwar does not believe she can expect a fair trial. In Spain certainly over this the Independence of the Judiciary from the Government does not seem to exist. The Government has labelled them all guilty of the crimes it puts upon them and that is recorded in the media and you yourself are doing that. That is not how democracies work. A Democracies Judiciary must be Independent from the Government and Carla's lawyer believes Spain's actions have already shown that is not so. He believes with what has been going on it would be impossible for a Spanish court to be impartial and fair and he believes that is true not just for Carla but for every one of them. He is also deeply concerned about how she will be treated on the level of human rights. These are the things which democracies look at before they send people back to countries where they will not receive a fair trial.

To give an example of how ridiculous the charges are. Carla is being charged with being a 'fugitive from justice' however in order to be a fugitive of justice you have to have a court date and you have to have not turned up for that court appointment. It is only after they have failed to appear at that court date that they can be called 'fugitives of justice. This has not happened. They do now have a date of April 16th. If she does not return for that it would be legally correct to call her a 'fugitive of justice' but until that time it is not. Carla was Education Minister who promoted Independence. That view is what she is really being arrested for and threatened with being required to spend her life in prison for and that is imprisonment for political views something which Germany if Germany sees its future as a democratic society should not be supporting.

 

He could be released on bail, I think he should be extradited to Spain. Hopefully the German authorities will appreciate the threat of regional secessionism everywhere and expedite Puigdemont's dispatch.

 

You may have to learn that not evry other opinion than your own is facist.

Our officials have the conclusion that the trial there will be fair and thats it.

Stealing 200 million euro tax money is serious crime. In germany he would get 25 years prison for that alone.

 

Free Carlos Puigdemont

And Julian Assange and Snowden too.


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No, putting people in jail because of their opinion or because of voting is facist.

 

Did puidemont use his own 200 Million € for this Referendum? Simple yes or no please.