CDC Admits Fully Vaxed People are Spreading COVID

Ok we are talking about two different things.

Can people who are vaccinated still get delta? Yes. Studies I've read claim the vaccine is 88 percent effective. 88 percent means 12 vaccinated people will still get it, will still spread it. Fully vaccinated people will still likely NOT get it. And will still not get severly ill or sick or need to be hospitalized. Making the delta for vaccinated people, an after thought.

Will it mutate past these vaccines? Most likely. There is already a booster shot on it's way and I fully suspect we will have to get vaccinated every few years from now on.

But what I read was what I thought was a claim that the vaccine doesn't work against the delta. It does. It's 88 percent effective.

That's still incredibly high.

 

The OP is about 75% nonsense spin, 25% truth.

Yes, people who are vaccinated that catch COVID can spread it. Just like anyone sick can.

Vaccinated people are not creating variants any more than unvaccinated people.

And vaccinated people are not "the biggest public health threat". That honor goes to anyone, vaccinated or not, that is out in public without distancing, masks, and good hygiene practices.

 

At least one epidemiologist says you have about 8 times less chances to get the beast when you're vaccinated, and when you do get it, it sticks with you for a shorter time. To be confirmed though.

 

Thanks for that.

 

So assuming the fatality rate doesn't go up (unlikely) with the future of variants we're undoubtedly going to produce, variants that will without question become more contagious and sustainable, your plan is to roll the dice every couple of months as you roll endlessly from one infection to another... and you expect everyone else to go along with that? I think its far more likely that eventually we'll reach a point where anti-maskers and anti-vaxers and other forms of COVID deniers become so stigmatized that society begins to demand either their compliance or their ejection.

 

I wonder which party is more indebted to you for your denial campaign.

 

But it is one of many estimates. CDC says 54% effective post delta for the mrna vaccines. They don't test for the strain of virus people have. Many people don't even know they have the virus. 54% is an average of all strains of the virus since delta arrived. Perhaps that doesn't mean that delta is resistant to the vaccines to you but it does to me. The vaccine hasn't changed. The virus has changed. If the vaccines aren't completely obsolete they sure are certainly obsolescent. I know you wish this weren't true but the science says it is.

 

Well then I’m glad I could help you understand.

 

It's quite simple, actually: the delta variant is presently representing 98% of all cases that are analyzed in the US. Given the fact that recent hospitalization patients are, for 95%+, not fully vaccinated, it looks to me the vaccines still offer a good degree of protection against the delta.

Now, if your complaint is that the vaccines did not eradicate the virus completely, I don't recall anybody saying that they would. And they're not supposed to either, unless maybe in the very long run when immunisation is high enough that the few lonely viruses still circulating finally die for lack of consenting victims welcoming them aboard.

 

"CDC Admits Fully Vaxed People are Spreading COVID"

CDC admits people that breathe air can get covid and spread it, same with people that drink milk, eat eggs, sleep more than 8 hours, sleep less than 8 hours.....

CDC also admits the vaccines help teach the immune system to fight off the virus if you do get it

one thing the CDC did not admit though

"Smokers Hospitalized Less Often for COVID-19"

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200430/smokers-hospitalized-less-often-for-covid-19

"Few of those hospitalized with the coronavirus are smokers, and researchers are trying to understand why, according to VICE."

 

I certainly didn't need your post nor your help for that.

But I do worry that you might not have fully grasped the irony of the Abbott & Costello dialogue they were using to gently chastise the nit-pickers who always find pretexts to deny anything they don't fully understand or that escapes them completely.

 

It is simple but you don't understand it. I appreciate the response nevertheless.

 

OK, I'm ready to try again. Can you explain your argument in (even more) simple words, so that I have a chance to grasp it? Thanks in advance.

 

Why should anyone care, for example, if a dark skinned person gets a lot of sun?? By that same token, why should anyone care if someone not so susceptible to Covid gets Covid??

If one constantly worries about the increase of Covid cases without greatly concerning themselves with worrying about those Covid cases which involve the highly susceptible to Covid, the pandemic measures will last forever.

Mebe that is your plan for the pandemic measures to last forever?

 

The fully rational shouldn't be concerned at all with the spread of Covid...The fully rational should be concerned with the spread of Covid to the highly susceptible to Covid.

Mebe there are fewer Covid smokers because:
(1) There are fewer smokers (like there are fewer albinos, for example)
(2) Smokers don't lend themselves to hospital facilities...Are basically rebels.

 

You are correct. The not so susceptible to Covid won't be chronically hospitalized nor die from Covid exposure. Again, why doesn't the CDC et al. just worry about those most susceptible to Covid? IMO, any other worry like forcing everyone to participate in pandemic measures is just irrational and continues the pandemic measures...forever.

 

You mean the simple minded like the CDC/WHO/NIH/Fauci?

 

I think you know who I mean...

 

No worries freedom8. I grasped the humorous sarcasm of the “lather, rinse, repeat” idiom just fine.

 

You know who I mean 'cause I just posted it:

 

The logical emphasis should be on number of cases of Covid resulting in chronic hospitalizations and deaths...Not all cases as the dim-witted CDC/WHO/HIH/Fauci prescribes...I proscribe the worrying over all Covid cases.

 

So, you proscribe, huh, you proscribe...

Well, I do proscribe too; I proscribe you constantly spreading nonsense and distorted information on this forum.

 

Vaccine mandates will be on steroids

US FDA approves first Covid-19 vaccine

The US Food and Drug Administration has granted full approval of the Pfizer/BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine.

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-vaccine-updates-08-23-21/index.html
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Excellent news indeed!

 

number of cases is just to show where spread is higher... but yes, hospitalizations and deaths is an important number too