CDC admits to vast over count of deaths

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  1. StillBlue

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    Are you kidding? Trump is the undisputed G.O.A.T of finger pointing. There is no one else even close.
     
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    Trump has repeatedly politicized this from the very beginning. No one is self-delusional enough to not understand this.
     
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    Read the thread. The Fake News MSM usually reports "Covid deaths" with no mention of comorbidities or other causes. IOW, disinformation - Fake Science.
     
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    Read the the thread.

    "peacelate said:
    COVID can exacerbate existing disease conditions. I don't think the argument has ever been that COVID is the single factor causing these deaths."

    Ddy: "It is always reported as "Covid-19 deaths". Google: "Covid-19 deaths".
    21,000,000 hits. IOW, typical MSM Fake News Hype."
     
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    Then take a few seconds to get the reports from the CDC.
    The “fake nuze msm (except the largest one of course)” reports baseline date because most Americans have no idea what cause vs mechanism of death or comorbidity means. To give you evidence of this look at the number of posters in this thread alone that are saying the new death rate is only 6%.
     
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    The CDC has admitted that the deaths from the CCP/Wuhan China Virus are only 6% of the total "reported" "Covid-19 deaths". IOW, there have been 21,000,000 Fake News/Fake Science/"reports.
    You fell for all that disinformation - Speaker Pelosi obviously knew better.

    "Comorbidities
    Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only ***cause*** mentioned. For deaths with conditions or ***causes*** in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or ***causes*** per death. The number of deaths with each condition or ***cause*** is shown for all deaths and by age groups."
    CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL AND PREVENTION, Weekly Updates by Select Demographic and Geographic Characteristics, Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19): August 26, 2020. (*** mine)
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/...dHZeMAv4DA3X1CUjTa48st_wcDVegDAs1uOiSf5WkuwSo
     
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    As I've already pointed out, and as the CDC has already pointed out:

    1) In the vast majority of these comorbidity cases, COVID is still the underlying cause. Yes, if COVID causes respiratory distress and the respiratory distress kills you, it is still a COVID death.
    2) If someone dies because of COVID and had an underlying condition that made them more susceptible to the disease, then yes, it is still perfectly correct to count it as a COVID death.
    3) Additional causes do not change the fact that COVID was a cause.
    4) Excess death counts show that we are undercounting COVID deaths, not overcounting. If it is "fake news" it is only because we are lowballing. There is no "hype" when it comes to the death count. The whole "most of these people would have died anyway of something else" excuse has been scientifically proven to be a lie.

    Also, just because you get a 21,000,000 hits when you search for "Covid-19 deaths" does not mean that all 21,000,000 sources report it as you say they do. That's not how Google works.
     
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    The CDC says you are wrong, as I've already proven repeatedly. They have not "admitted" any such thing. In those comorbidity cases, COVID was still the underlying cause. Please do more homework. Do I need to quote the guy who is in charge of these numbers yet again, or will you go back and read the multiple other times I've quoted him explaining that the above is untruthful?
     
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    What does that have to do with the prospects of a Biden win and Democrats Being in control?
     
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    Covid has become the biggest scam in the history of the USA... And all because democrats needed something to blame on the POTUS so they had something to run an election on. Its quite ridiculous.
     
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    The empirical facts say you are wrong. Please start paying attention to reality, even when it offends your political biases. Is that too much to ask?
     
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    Empirical facts eh? Like 98% survivability. Yeah.
     
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    So you believe it someone with diabetes that would have lived another 30 years died from complications caused by COVID then it shouldn’t be counted as COVID?

    There is no reason to continue the discussion. This logic is so blatantly false and twisted it isn’t worth my time. Cheers.
     
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    Nonsense. He has, in fact been attacked no matter what he did over this from the very beginning.
     
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    In the very small world of Trump supporters, truth has lost its value.
     
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    1. Health officials have been caught red handed fudging the data regarding the CCP/Wuhan China Virus.
    2. Read the the thread: "peacelate said:
    COVID can exacerbate existing disease conditions. I don't think the argument has ever been that COVID is the single factor causing these deaths." Not true, as I have demonstrated, several times now.
     
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    LOL! The CDC has admitted that they have been promoting Fake Science.

    "The CDC updated the provisional counts on deaths that have occurred from COVID-19 on Aug. 26, and in the section on comorbidities, they revealed that only 6% of the deaths were caused by just the virus."
    INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS TIMES, CDC Finds Only 6% Of Coronavirus Deaths Are Solely From COVID-19, By Lauren Dubois, 08/30/20>
    https://www.ibtimes.com/cdc-finds-only-6-coronavirus-deaths-are-solely-covid-19-3037136

    The CDC is not a credible source of information regarding the CCP/Wuhan China Virus.
    Even our leading experts, and other insiders like Speaker Pelosi know that much.
     
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    if these people did NOT catch Covid, they would likely be alive today.
     
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    I am amazed that anyone still denies that the death data regarding the CCP/Wuhan China Virus has not been fudged. How many times do health care officials have to get caught - red handed?

    "The British government had previously been labeling deaths as COVID-19 fatalities if anyone who had had a positive test for the disease had died at any point following that test. The revised policy limits that window to 28 days after a positive test."

    JUST THE NEWS, COVID-19 death count in England reduced by over 11% after government revises counting method, The British government had previously been labeling deaths as COVID-19 fatalities if anyone who had tested positive for the disease had died at any point following that test. The revised policy limits that window to 28 days after a positive test., By Daniel Payne, August 12, 2020.
    https://justthenews.com/politics-po...land-reduced-over-11-after-government-revises
     
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    Political science encourages Fake Science and Fake Science News.
     
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    DP party bosses and their running dogs all know that the masks are not needed.
     
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    The CDC finally admitted the truth. That is why Fake Science News fans are all squealing like stuck little razorbacks. ;-)

    "Comorbidities
    Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only ***cause*** mentioned. For deaths with conditions or ***causes*** in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or ***causes*** per death. The number of deaths with each condition or ***cause*** is shown for all deaths and by age groups."
    CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL AND PREVENTION, Weekly Updates by Select Demographic and Geographic Characteristics, Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19): August 26, 2020. (*** mine)
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/...dHZeMAv4DA3X1CUjTa48st_wcDVegDAs1uOiSf5WkuwSo
     
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    11% variance is reasonable if they change the methodology. 94% is not.
     
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    Just hopping back into the thread to remind everyone the CDC did NOT "admit to vast overcount of deaths" and this thread is based on a fake news article from a website that promotes '9/11 was an inside job' and 'Obama was born in Kenya' conspiracies. So, ya know, put all due stock into this lie that you will.
     
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    History would indicate that it is...
     

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