Challenge To Remove Obama From New Hampshire Primary To Be Heard Friday

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  1. SFJEFF

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    How do we know that it was created by the Illuminati as part of their "One World Government scheme"

    Or maybe it was created by UFO's as part of their plan to conquer Earth.

    The funny part is....not only have Birthers always accepted the Kenyan Birth certificate without question, but IF the Kenyan BC was part of any misinformation campaign, it was spectacularly unsuccessful...since no one except a few rabid Birther ever believed it.

    I still find it a good example of Birther gullibility or tunnel vision that they have for years believed that Kenyan Birth Certificate, being offered up for sale- by a convicted forgerer- was authentic.

    Let us compare:
    Kenyan BC- never examined or seen in person by anyone other than the person who offered it for sale. The person promoting it is a convicted forgerer. Never confirmed by the Kenyan Government or any other agency.

    Hawaiian BC- seen by Factcheck and by reporters. Confirmed by the State of Hawaii which created it. Presented by the President of the United States- incidentally who is not a convicted forgerer.

    Which do Birthers believe? Lol
     
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    WongKimArk Banned

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    Because that would be stupid. And unlike the Birthers, "Obama's people" have demonstrated that they are not stupid.
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I never said they are - in fact, Axelrod is billed by everyone as politically being at least brilliant. And assuming Axelrod is a little bit more "brilliant" then you (or me for that matter), how can you be sure Obama people did not create the Kenyan BS for birthers to focus on?
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    There never were any other issues as the only issue to be addressed was that Obama's COLB issued in 2007 was a legal record of the State of Hawaii which established that Obama was a natural born citizen of the United States. Deception is only used to distract others when they're trying to avoid the facts and the Obama people had all of the fact on their side. They didn't want to distract anyone from the COLB as it was the only proof required to establish natural born citizenship status.

    A better argument for the "birthers" would be that the Clinton "birthers" which actually started the claims that Obama wasn't a natural born citizen might have created the forgery but it would still have been created by birthers although they wouldn't be the rigth-wing nutcases that picked up the mantra after the Clinton birthers were proven wrong.
     
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    As I said... because it would be stupid.
     
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    How do you know what's going through Axelrod's mind? Are you comparing yourself to him? What a laugh :mrgreen:
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    It would be nice if there was some consistancy. First the claim is made that Axelrod is more brilliant than others and the the final claim seems to be that he's more stupid than others.

    As noted though it would have been stupid for the Obama supporters to create the forged Kenyan birth certificate and as is normally the case "birthers" will argue that they did without any proof whatsoever to support such a claim.

    Have the "birthers" ever presented ANYTHING that supports their beliefs? The simple answer is, "No, they have not."
     
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    I don't.

    No

    Maybe, maybe not. It would still be stupid.
     
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    Shiva, think about it for a second - there was nothing to be gained by birthers to create and distribute fake birth certificate - soon as it was learned that (Kenyan) BC was fake, birthers were naturally suspected.

    Now, if it was in fact Axelrod and his people (who incidentally coined the term birthers, quite brilliantly) who created and distributed fake Kenyan birth certificate, who were blamed for it once that fact (fake) became known? Thats right.

    Just like in the detective work; if you ask yourself a question who has benefited from the fake Kenyan BS, you'll see it from different perspective :mrgreen:
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    No one really benefited from the Kenyan birth certificate. It certainly made many "birthers" believe that Obama was born in Kenya and that had a negative impact on the overall discussion.

    We can compare it to the fraudlent claim made by a known "birther" when he intentionally took a statement out of context and claimed that Obama's grandmother stated Obama was born in Kenya when actual statement was that she explicitly stated that he was born in Hawaii. It was an intentional act by a known "birther" that was fraudlent and yet that "birther" believed it was helping his cause. He knew he was misrepresenting the truth and did so to progagate a lie and the motive was clear. The motive would be identical for someone to create a forgery of a Kenyan birth certificate. We have the "motive" as established by "birthers" and no motive has been presented that would support a belief that the Obama people would create a forgery.

    I would actually believe that the person that created the forged Kenyan birth certificate simply made a mistake by not realizing that Kenya didn't exist as a country at the time when Obama was born. It was a failure to do the research by the forger as opposed to the intentionally creating a document that could be established as a forgery simply because Kenya didn't exist. Remember, if Kenya has become a country just one year earlier the "birthers" would still be citing this forgery as being authentic. The motive was clear but the fact that the forger made a mistake is also evident.
     
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    You are rather badly mistaken. The fake Kenyan BC was created by a man with a known history of forgery and fraud, and it first appeared when he tried to sell it on e-Bay. It was created as a money maker, and Smith continues to Birf in the hope that he might still eventually cash in.

    It is as simple as that.
     
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    From my perspective, there are two types of Birthers. The hucksters and the gullible. The birth certificate, WND, Orly- everyone asking for money are the hucksters- they are Birthers who may or may not believe in the Birther agenda, but whose primary motive is to strip the gullible of their money. These hucksters will knowingly lie or misrepresent the truth because it furthers their agenda.

    Then there are the gullible- who find this stuff- sometimes posted 2 or 3 years ago and are just so eager to believe it. The gullible scour Birther sites- WND, P&E, Canada Free Press and lets not forget their reliance on Youtube for articles that say what they want to believe- that this specific President can't possibly be our legal President. The gullible don't care that the Kenyan BC was presented by a convicted forger, or that Obama's Kenyan Grandmother declaring he was born in Kenya was really his Step Grandmother saying that Obama Jr. was born in Hawaii.

    There are still the gullible that insist that Obama has never shown his long form and that these birth certificates aren't legal because it doesn't look like the one they have at home.

    Regardless of who created the Kenyan forgery- what is clear is that Birthers were willing to embrace it, regardless of whether it was a forgery or not. Birthers have never cared about whether any anti-Obama claims were authentic or not.
     
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