Cheney Urged Bush To Bomb Syria In 2007

Once again all we get from the "deniers" is nothing more substantive than because you say so; but alas, this is not how the REAL world works and it only works in the fantasy world of Liberals who naively also believe that terrorists, thugs, despots and dictators can be reasoned with.

"Indeed, I believe that the evidence that already exists -- if you're ready to recognize the evidence, then you don't need to see any pieces of paper," he said in an interview with CNN. "But if you're not ready to recognize evidence, then, no matter how many reams of paper are presented to you, you will not recognize."

http://articles.cnn.com/2001-10-02/...ss-of-amassing-information-bin-qaeda?_s=PM:US

Spanish judge indicts bin Laden, 34 others in 9/11 attacks / Al Qaeda members in Madrid played key support role, he says

http://articles.sfgate.com/2003-09-...d-murder-charges-al-qaeda-s-secretive-methods

Bin Laden Claims Responsibility for 9/11

Admitting for the first time that he ordered the Sept. 11 attacks, bin Laden said he did so because of injustices against the Lebanese and Palestinians by Israel and the United States.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,137095,00.html

9/11 panel: Al Qaeda planned to hijack 10 planes
WORLD TRADE CENTER

One member of the commission investigating the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks says "a number of urban myths about 9/11" will be dispelled on Thursday, the last scheduled hearing for the panel.

One such myth is the widely held belief that the military was ready to carry out orders to shoot down civilian aircraft if necessary.

"That is simply not true," said the commissioner. "They were not ready" for a number of reasons, suggesting, among other things, that there were legal issues and that properly armed aircraft were not ready.

http://articles.cnn.com/2004-06-16/...orld-trade-center-hijacking?_s=PM:ALLPOLITICS

 

Iraq was crippled by two wars and a decade of sanctions.. Everyone in the Middle East knew that.. every historian, military leader, diplomat and oilman.

 

And your claim is that because Mohammed is an Egyptian and living in Germany he can't possibly be tied to AQ? REALLY?

Once again the author of this thread wanders off topic to avoid the FALSE premise contained in the thread.

 

Fascinating people; here the terrorist appologists are more willing to believe a known terrorist and murderer than the evidence presented by Western Democracies.

Once more, the thread premise is false and the author spends a great deal of time deflecting.

 

Not my claim.. the US State Department cannot make the connection.. and OBL denied it.

The Egyptian brand of Sayeed Qubt was banned in Arabia since the late 1960s....

All those kook professors were deported.

 

There you go again pretending that the actual sequence of events never occurred and the ignore the efforts of the Taliban to protect AQ and prevent their legal deportation.

 

Please stop trolling the thread with off topic false claims and deflections.

 

For once you have a point. All leaders perpetuate myths and illusions as their means of attempting to justify their hold on power. That's true of Obama, Cameron, Sarkosy, Berlusconi and tyrants like Saddam. But the point is, we knew he didn't have them. The Western pretense that he did have them was used as a fake justification to attack him. The powerful do not attack the powerful but the relatively weak...Diplomacy is the preferred option with regards to the former. Saddam's regime had suffered as a result of 13 years of UN sanctions following the first Gulf War from 1990 to 2003 prior to the invasion. By 2003 Iraq was a broken country...This was confirmed by US intelligence on the ground at the time and reaffirmed by the subsequent statements of both Powell and Rice. Moreover, Blix was removed, not by Saddam as was claimed at the time, but by the UN in the knowledge that an attack on Iraq was imminent.

 

Bingo... you got it.. Iraq was broken..

 

Baseless extrapolations.

 

The problem of the Taliban was that they would not accept a low ball transit fee for the TAPI that would have saved ENRON's butt.

 

This is again your irrational version of the actual events. However many leaders with much better information thought differently, even the former Clinton administration whom Liberals idolize:

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

What Blair said:

April 10, 2002 – House of Commons
“For the moment, let me say this: Saddam Hussein's regime is despicable, he is developing weapons of mass destruction, and we cannot leave him doing so unchecked. He is a threat to his own people and to the region and, if allowed to develop these weapons, a threat to us also.”

September 24, 2002 – House of Commons
“The Joint Intelligence Committee concludes that Iraq has chemical and biological weapons, that Saddam has continued to produce them, that he has existing and active military plans for the use of chemical and biological weapons, which could be activated within 45 minutes, including against his own Shia population, and that he is actively trying to acquire nuclear weapons capability.”

October 2, 2002 – Speech at the Labour Part Conference
“Sometimes, and in particular dealing with a dictator, the only chance of peace is a readiness for war.”

What Mr Howard of Australia said:

"I continue to be infuriated by the suggestion we went to war on a lie," said Mr Howard in an exclusive interview with The Daily Telegraph. "The intelligence may have been flawed, but it was not made up."

Prior to the war, Mr Howard said he had several meetings with Sir Richard Dearlove, the then head of Britain's Secret Intelligence Service (MI6), and John Scarlett, who headed the Joint Intelligence Committee, which was responsible for drafting Downing Street's infamous "dodgy dossier".

"Following those meetings, I was satisfied that there was strong evidence that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction," he said. "And after the war, although we did not find any stockpiles of weapons, we certainly found that the Iraqis had active WMD programmes. But it was the failure to find stockpiles that turned the public against us."

But once again the thread author wanders off topic to avoid the false premise of her thread.

 

It is YOU who is deflecting. You have yet to provide any evidence to support your claim that OBL was directly responsible for 9-11. We are still waiting.

 

Please post credible links to support this assertion. Thank you, and do try to stay on topic of the threads false premise.

 

Nothing more here than "because you say so;" Proof that no matter how many credible links I post, you will continue to fabricate your own version of events based on irrational premises and conspiratorial theories.

Now can we get back to the FALSE premise of the thread and on topic?

 

Oh BS.. Iraq couldn't afford water treatment.. That's why they were using chlorine.

Iraq's oil infrastructure was held together with spit and chewing gum.. putting good reserve mgmt at risk of total loss.

Why do you think Saddam was so desperate in 1998 .. appealing to the US and UN to lift sanctions to allow Haliburton to come in and do the bloody work?

Why do you think Cheney was hired by Haliburton to lobby his governent connections for lifting sanctions on Iraq, Libya and the Stans.

Soundbites from Fox are not real helpful.

 

So you take the words of our leaders at face value?....Lol. Thankfully, some of us are a little more critical. I guess you also believed Blair when he said that Saddam had the capability of attacking the UK within 45 minutes too, which in fact, was a bare faced lie? Some people are so gullible its almost beyond belief.

 

Yes I have, the 9-11 commission findings, credible news organizations and reports, statements by Prime Ministers and the US President. What have you given us; nothing but irrational conspiratorial theories based on nothing more substantive than "because you say so."

Meanwhile the threads FALSE premise goes unanswered because you and the threads author want to wander off topic with unsubstantiated claims and conspiracy theories.

 

It beats taking the word of two forum members on a political debate forum who provide nothing more than, "because they say so."

 

You can't be a "truth detector" and not do your homework.. LOLOL

The Brits set up Operation Mass Appeal under the leadership of Sir Derek Plumly in the fall of 2000.. to push the war on Iraq.

Everywhere that creep is assigned.. there are suicide bombings or booze wars.

 

What I have stated is historical reality not the kind of nonsense you have regurgitated which is nothing more than the regurgitated propaganda of the powerful. Our rulers love gullible wingnuts like you.

 

Quit waiting to be spoon fed.. Check ANY fact in the posts above.

 

I dont know about him being a detector of truth, seems like its only bullcrap that he detects. Anyway, I'm done with his nonsense.

 

Thanks for the concern, but my teachers always thought my reading comprehension was outstanding and I like to think it still is. Yours gives me reason for concern though. You even highlighted it yourself: The Taliban were willing to hand bin Laden over if there was evidence. They've signaled this willingness before, shortly after 9/11:http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/9/13/73358.shtml

As for the wish for evidence: Far from being unreasonable this request is quite common for states to make and be granted before extraditing anybody. I would certainly expect my government to make such requests before extraditing somebody who's been accused of crime. Wouldn't you?

Why didn't the US follow normal diplomatic procedures and provide evidence?

Jeez, the USA could have had bin Laden 10 years earlier and have saved loads of money as well as numerous lives of young American soldiers, who had all their life ahead of them when they were sent to die in this senseless war. And I haven't even mentioned the civilian Afghan death-toll yet.

Sorry to break it to you, but ever since the Bush-gang created Guantanamo a fair trial is not something this world necessarily expects from the US anymore. Thanks to these people the US- legal-system has lost all credibility and good reputation that it may have once had and there are probably people who'd rather stand trial in Cuba these days. Ask Sami al-Hajj what he thinks.

Just as insane as letting the US decide who's a rogue nation and who isn't.

So you basically agree that Israel broke international law but you think breaking international law is fine?

You should tell your CIA that Israel having nukes is in the realm of pure speculation, because they seem to be firmly convinced they do.
http://www.haaretz.com/print-editio...1974-that-israel-had-nuclear-weapons-1.237049

As already indicated who's a rogue terrorist-sponsoring state lies within the eye of the beholder. Some people think the US and Israel are. Personally I don't make a difference between the prospect of Israel or Iran being nuked, both incidents would cost countless innocent lives and would constitute a crime against humanity.

I would just waste my breath. Seeing that you've actually supported Cheney's views on waterboarding you would probably not recognize evil if it was staring you directly into the face.

Unfortunately you are probably right on that one. I wonder what he does with all these earnings plus the comfortable assets he already has thanks to his lucrative job at Halliburton. He certainly won't be able to take the money with him when he passes away and rids this world of his vile existence. May God have mercy on his soul that day, because mercy is what it certainly will need.