China - Israeli Alliance Endangers U.S. Security.....Again

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  1. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Those of us familiar with the true, one-sided nature of America's detrimental alliance with Israel are already aware that Israel has proven to be America's greatest security threat(1), (2) and has an established history of stealing US technology and selling it to the highest bidder.

    Apparently,it has proven most lucrative for Israel to sell or give US Secrets to China which is due to take over the running of Israel's port, Haifa .

    That threat is even more concerning now with Israel's new & growing alliance with China:

    "Israel is being a bad ally to the US over China"
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/israel-is-being-a-bad-ally-to-the-us-over-china

    EXCERPTS "To be specific, if Israel continues closely engaging with China, the U.S. must reduce its military, intelligence, and technology engagement with Israel's government. That would be a big step, but this concern is very real.

    Unfortunately, this is only the tip of the iceberg.

    More concerning than Haifa is the increasingly close relationship between Israeli high-technology industries and China. China will use this access to gain proprietary software and hardware, including U.S. based research and development. Again, that access is fundamentally incompatible with U.S. interests. And it reflects broader American concerns that U.S. military technologies provided to Israel, such as the F-35 strike fighter, might one day find their way into Chinese hands."CONTINUED

    Those of us who remember Israel's betrayal of the US with the Lavi Fighter Project are especially concerned about the likelihood of current & future Israeli theft & sale of US military & civilian technological secrets to a country whose relations with the US are at least "strained".

    Why should America continue to allow itself to be so openly exploited by such a thankless & parasitic country whose leader has so clearly articulated the true nature of the US - Israeli alliance?

    Netanyahu: “Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away”

    http://web.archive.org/web/20060512234448/http://www.onlinejournal.org/Special_Reports/092105Madsen/092105madsen.html




    (1) "ISRAEL WON'T STOP SPYING ON THE US"
    http://www.newsweek.com/2014/05/16/israel-wont-stop-spying-us-249757.html


    EXCERPT "The Jewish state’s primary target: America’s industrial and technical secrets.

    “No other country close to the United States continues to cross the line on espionage like the Israelis do,” said a former congressional staffer who attended another classified briefing in late 2013, one of several in recent months given by officials from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), the State Department, the FBI and the National Counterintelligence Directorate."CONTINUED


    (2) "Report: Israel Passes U.S. Military Technology to China"
    https://www.military.com/defensetec...srael-passes-u-s-military-technology-to-china

    EXCERPT "Israel has a long record of getting U.S. military technology to China.

    In the early 1990s then-CIA Director James Woolsey told a Senate Government Affairs Committee that Israel had been selling U.S. secrets to China for about a decade.

    More than 12 years ago the U.S. demanded Israel cancel a contract to supply China with Python III missiles, which included technology developed by the U.S. for its Sidewinder missiles, The Associated Press reported in 2002."CONTINUED
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Out of all your links I don't see a single thing China stole from us through Israel.

    Could you point them out to us please?
     
  3. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Gladly but sadly,

    I should clarify that I don't believe that the Chinese "stole from us" but, rather, that Israel sold secret US technology obtained by "joint", US funded (US - Israeli) ventures like the Lavi Fighter Project or obtained via Israeli espionage(1), (2)

    What is severely detrimental to the US is that the Israelis are co operating even more closely with the Chinese at the same time they are America's number one security threat via spying & theft.


    "Report: Israel Passes U.S. Military Technology to China"
    https://www.military.com/defensetec...srael-passes-u-s-military-technology-to-china
    EXCERPT "Secret U.S. missile and electro-optics technology was transferred to China recently by Israel, prompting anger from the U.S. and causing a senior Israeli defense official to resign."CONTINUED


    "HOW ISRAEL USED WEAPONS AND TECHNOLOGY TO BECOME AN ALLY OF CHINA"
    https://www.newsweek.com/china-isra...ijing-jerusalem-saul-eisenberg-weapons-607117
    EXCERPT "This was “arms diplomacy” at its best, with Israel using superior technology and military expertise to get a country to become its ally. It is a model the country would continue to refine and use successfully—well after the secret arms trip in 1979."CONTINUED



    (1) "How Israel Has Betrayed America"

    https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2014/06/06/how-israel-has-betrayed-america/

    EXCERPT "A recent report by Newsweek magazine that Israel has spied on the United States at “an alarming level” and has done so “more than any other ally does” raises a very serious issue concerning how much Israel has betrayed America, which is something that the American mainstream media have time and again refused to debate in public."CONTINUED


    (2) "SUPPORTING ISRAEL DOES NOT MEAN SUPPORTING ISRAELI ESPIONAGE IN AMERICA"
    http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/05/opinions/limiting-israel-espionage-in-america-rogan/

    EXCERPT "But my gripe is that Israeli espionage is unchecked in its ambition against US interests. As former NSA counterintelligence officer John Schindler accounts, Israeli human-intelligence operations inside the United States are at a scale to those of American adversaries. Moreover, unique of any US ally, Israel has no qualms about advertising -- even if via the pretense of diplomatic code words -- its intelligence operations against America." CONTINUED




     
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    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Now, do you see how America's most sensitive military and commercial technology could be lost to China because our less than loyal "ally" decides to sell the US out?

    It happened before with the Lavi Fighter project.
     
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    Israeli quislings and loyalists don't care about Israel's exploitation of America. They either ignore it or attempt to justify it.

    Many of them are simply too brainwashed by Zionist propaganda to think any differently about Israel.

    And others are just religious wackos (mostly Evangelicals) who base their foreign policy ideology on ancient myths and prophecies.
     
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    I found your post interesting. I don't usually follow this subject that closely but the F15-Lavi-J10 argument has been around for decades. For some reason it does not get the outrage that one would expect. Anti Israeli sentiment rarely gets traction in the US. Israel has a very strong lobby and Israel has always done an exceptional job of marketing itself. Don't we have anti-BDS legislation in about 26 states now? The very notion that we passed laws that discourages boycotts against another country is crazy.
     
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    Israel helps us against our real enemies - the arabs/moslems. But of course you America hating loonies love them brainwashed bloodthirsty lunatic cj's, so that makes them bad.
     
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    How are they helping us pray tell? I don't see any of their soldiers fighting along side us.
     
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    Nuke them.
     
  10. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    “Every time anyone says that Israel is our only friend in the Middle East, I can’t help but think that before Israel, we had no enemies in the Middle East.”– John Sheehan, Society of Jesus. (Jesuit priest)




    How exactly does Israel help America do anything except "help" themselves to America's $ Trillions(1) & "help" the US soak distant sand with American blood fighting wars for AIPAC(2)

    But of course America's infestation of disloyal "Israel Firsters" will continue to keep the American blood & resources flowing to America's most treacherous security threat and ensure that the US continues to sacrifice the lives of young American men & women in uniform for Israeli regional hegemony(3), (4)


    (1) "The Real Cost of US Support for Israel: $3 Trillion"
    http://www.ilaam.net/Intl/RealCostOfIsrael.html

    EXCERPT "While it is commonly reported that Israel officially receives some $3 billion every year in the form of economic aid from the U.S. government, this figure is just the tip of the iceberg. There are many billions of dollars more in hidden costs and economic losses lurking beneath the surface. A recently published economic analysis has concluded that U.S. support for the state of Israel has cost American taxpayers nearly $3 trillion ($3 million millions) in 2002 dollars."CONTINUED


    (2) "Quietly lobbying Congress to approve the use of force in Iraq was one of AIPAC's successes over the past year."
    AIPAC executive director Howard Kohr
    New York Sun in January 2003

    And in a New Yorker profile of Steven Rosen, AIPAC's policy director during the run-up to the war on Iraqi, it was stated that "AIPAC lobbied Congress in favor of the Iraqi war".
    https://www.sott.net/article/158160-And-the-winner-is-the-Israel-lobby


    (3) "US Commander: ‘US Troops Prepared to Die for Israel’ in War against Syria, Hezbollah"
    https://www.mintpressnews.com/israe...a-harbinger-of-war-on-syria-hezbollah/238768/


    (4) "TRUMP: U.S. TROOPS WILL REMAIN IN THE MIDDLE EAST FOR ISRAEL"
    https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Trump-US-troops-will-remain-in-the-Middle-East-for-Israel-572997

    EXCERPT "We have reached a point where we don't have to stay in the Middle East. One reason to stay is Israel," U.S. President Donald Trump said on Tuesday evening with an exclusive interview with the Washington Post."CONTINUED
     
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    I think that the day has long passed when anyone can nuke anyone else with impunity.

    I'm especially concerned that the already bellicose Netanyahu (1) will become even more so now that he's aligned with the ultra Right Wing Otzma Yehudit party.


    (1) "Netanyahu’s ‘War’ Comment Wasn’t an Accident"
    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/a...etanyahu-s-iran-war-threat-wasn-t-an-accident

    EXCERPT "The gathering of more 60 nations -- including Arab countries -- is, he said, an important step in pursuing their “common interest in advancing war with Iran."CONTINUED
     
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    Anyone who really believes that Israel is our ally is totally fooling himself.
     
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    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Or..... anyone who really believes that Israel is our ally has been professionally deceived by our egregiously pro Israel - anti Islamic MSM.




    “U.S. media coverage reveals a pro-Israel bias”
    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2014/09/01/commentary/world-commentary/u-s-media-coverage-reveals-a-pro-israel-bias/#.WMLm5mafK_U

    EXCERPT “Why does TV news look like a Netanyahu ad?” asked Chris McGreal of The Guardian on July 31, in his article on the “notoriously pro-Israel mainstream media in the U.S.”CONTINUED



    "Media Bias Fanning the Flames of Islamophobia"
    https://mediareviewnet.com/2017/12/media-bias-fanning-the-flames-of-islamophobia/

    EXCERPT "Erin Kearns and his co-authors argued that social identity is the largest predictor of news coverage of terrorist attacks, with attacks by Muslim perpetrators receiving, on average, 449% more coverage than other attacks."CONTINUED
     
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