Christian influence in society? Yes. A theocracy? No

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  1. JCS

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    I'm neither any of those three. But I can read, understand, and think logically & critically. That's all anyone should be expected to do.
     
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    But what is meant by "Christian Nation" in that poll? A lot of them would say it already is a Christian Nation.
     
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    So Biden is passing false information because he isn’t a doctor, scientist or lab tech and is passing on what he is told.
    So why am I supposed to believe what you are passing on is good information because you are in the exact same situation as Biden.
     
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    Everything we think, do, and say in life is in preparation to face God. It is all for the cause of perfection. Every good thing one does in life is to the epitome, measure, and pleasure of God. And everybody knows this. The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the call to repentance, which is aligned with what everybody knows about preparation to meet God, and why so many don't see it as a supernatural absurdity, but rather as a confirmation of their souls first command and duty, buried in the depths of their being. So for you to say you received no orders and are therefore not accountable, is to utter a deceit. Everyone, including those who do evil and don't give a crap about judgment, know that they are destined to an accounting. We are all born to serve God. But he gave us free agency and the opposition in life from the adversary. Hence the chaos and intrigue in the world.
     
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    Because I choose to make time to educate myself on the truth about virology & vaccines. My knowledge comes from scientists/researchers, doctors, and lab experts (among others) that are exposing this pseudo-science. I also read the medical & scientific literature and publications, as well as the claims of "conspiracy debunkers". I've looked at all sides.

    Most people do not do this, particularly any president who doesn't have the time (if even the openness/willingness) to do so.
     
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    ?????

    Nothing in your post addresses anything I wrote. Again, why do you quote me and then address nothing I write? I would appreciate you either answer or comment on what I write, or post without quoting me if you don't mean to address anything I write.
     
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    How do you know the President didn’t have time to do this?
    Furthermore I educated myself on vaccines and virology. I listen to the doctors who are experts and I have come to the opposite conclusion you have. Why is your conclusion more valid than mine?
     
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    Your are essentially claiming that you successfully identify the only god, while all those with other religions are duped.
     
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    That's pretty impressive!

    What was the source of the information that made you decide that science based medicine as practiced in all first world nations is wrong?
     
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    Not in this conversation, I haven't. I told JP that if this worlds religions are contradictory and chaotic, he should go to the source and pray to God. And thus bypass all the confusion.
     
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    I've answered all your questions, and then some. I just haven't followed your bread crumbs.
     
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    You have the wrong person. My “opposite conclusion” is that they are right.
     
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    Wow - I sure screwed THAT up!!

    Sorry, and I promise to do a far better job of back tracking through posts to ensure I know what's being said!
     
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    Why do you care? Mental illnesses in sexual deviants has always been obvious; the fact that any such evidence is lost on you doesn't mean anything, it is in fact expected that sociopaths will be completely mystified by such things as mores and principles.
     
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    No you haven't. You didn't even address my question. I'm curious if you really think you have? If so, how so?

    You've tried to accuse me of not wanting to believe God exists, etc. Whether or not that is true, it is completely irrelevant to the question. Either way the question remains unanswered.

    Your fellow believers are who the question pertains to, and why they all believe different things, and why God didn't make them all know what his message is, and how he can judge them on his message if they never received or understood it. They have different messages in mind, that they likewise think you will be judged by even though you don't know that message to be true. You have not even mentioned this in your "answer". Why not?

    If you can't answer that question, and just want to preach about how atheists refuse to look or whatever, that's fine, but then don't pretend you are answering my completely unrelated question.
     
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    Agreed. And if you work hard enough on yourself someday you may understand mores and principles.
     
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    sadly some Republicans want a theocracy, exactly what the founders were fleeing

    Republican can believe what ever religion they want, just don't force it on the rest of us.... even Q-Christianity as some seem to be choosing nowadays
     
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    agree, and remember it was the Nixon admin that pushed the eat more carbs and seed oils on us... and now we have a much more obese population with tons of metabolic diseases like never seen before

    this was done with good intentions, but we see the outcome

    this is what they told Americans was healthy.....

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    "The Food Pyramid That Made Us Fat"

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2011/01/29/934261/-The-Food-Pyramid-That-Made-Us-Fat-(Update)
     
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    I remember being told to eat a lot of bread. Guess in lucky to not be much of an eater so I never got fat.
     
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    same, and the don't eat eggs, don't eat butter, eat margarine.... all the things the corps wanted to sell us on

    almost like the guidelines were not for our health, but for the corps health

    and the government defending sugar, which is half fructose and fructose is processed by the liver the same as alcohol and also causes fatty liver like alcohol
     
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    I don't know. I'm assuming. First, he's not like Trump who played golf all the time, tweeted constantly, and watched cable TV for hours. Second, he's been a career politician since 1972. Third we're talking about the Presidency which is considered a very busy job----at least for those who take it seriously. And lastly, he strikes me as someone unlikely to question the official pandemic narrative, let alone vaccines or the Covid "test".

    I'm also assuming this because every person I've run into is unaware of this contradictory research. Even though I've met some who were cautionary about vaccines, for most, the idea that viruses don't exist, that billions all over the world have been lied to for so long, that vaccines are based on such pseudo-science, that PCR testing cannot even test for any alleged virus, that a virus did not in fact cause any of the historic pandemics listed in history books, and that doctors & scientists all over the world can actually fall for such a lie (especially coming from reputable institutions) is just too incredulous for most people to believe.
    Simple. Because both historic and current medical literature & research fails to establish the existence of viruses, let alone pathogenic viruses. Particularly, if you don't know the history of virology, you won't be able to see the errors in the current literature. The facts are irrefutable.

    Since this isn't the right forum for this topic I'll just post four links here for you to check out. Go to the "Coronavirus Pandemic Discussions" forum or the "Viral/Biological" discussion forums under Conspiracies if you wish to read up on what I and others have posted.

    The Misconception Called "Virus" (pdf)
    A good historical treatise on the origin of virology & the errors in methodologies, interpretations and absence of controls dating back to the early 20th Century - by Stefan Lanka.
    file:///C:/Users/user2/Downloads/Paper-Virus-Lanka-002-1.pdf

    A Farewell to Virology (Expert Edition) (download link for pdf)
    Perhaps a bit technical for some, but valuable & comprehensive material addressing historic & current narratives - by Dr. Mark Bailey.
    https://drsambailey.com/a-farewell-to-virology-expert-edition/

    FOIs reveal that health/science institutions around the world (211 and counting) have no record of SARS-COV-2 isolation/purification, anywhere, ever
    Brilliant research by biostatistician Christine Massey who submitted Freedom of Information (FOI) requests to Health/Science institutions around the world, asking the question, “Is there reliable evidence that SARS-CoV-2 has been isolated from an unadulterated sample taken from a diseased patient?" After over 200 responses, no study or record exists to scientifically establish the existence (from isolation/purification) of the SARS-COV-2 virus.
    https://www.fluoridefreepeel.ca/foi...ication/?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

    Settling the Virus Debate (pdf)
    Signed by 20 notable signatories, including Dr. Michael Yeadon, former VP of Pfizer, this document (and challenge) details the methodological steps necessary to confirm the existence of any alleged disease-causing viral contagion.
    Concluding excerpt:
    Note: this statement is a brief outline of the suggested experiments - a fully detailed protocol would
    obviously need to be developed and agreed upon by the laboratories and signatories.
    If the virologists fail to obtain a satisfactory result from the above study, then their claims about detecting
    “viruses” will be shown to be unfounded. All of the measures put in place as a result of these claims should
    be brought to an immediate halt. If they succeed in this first task then we would encourage them to proceed
    to the required purification experiments to obtain the probative evidence for the existence of viruses.
    It is in the interest of everyone to address the issue of isolation, and the very existence, of alleged viruses
    such as SARS-CoV-2. This requires proof that the entry of morphologically and biochemically, virus-like
    particles into living cells is both necessary and sufficient to cause the appearance of the identical particles,
    which are contagious and disease causing. We welcome your support and feedback for this initiative.

    https://drsambailey.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/SETTLING-THE-VIRUS-DEBATE-Source.pdf
     
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    See my post above to Nwolfe35.
     
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    And here is the problem. You have admitted you are not a doctor or a scientist or even a lab technician.
    In other words you lack the basic understandings of the science involved to judge whether or not these sources are reliable.
    So it's not even a question of lacking the knowledge/expertise to refute modern medical science by your own understanding, you are unable to even judge if those who refute it are doing so with actual knowledge or if it's just plain old bull_____.

    In the Navy I trained as a nuclear technician and operated nuclear power plants on submarines. If I gave you some technical specs and information about how a nuclear power plant operates you would not be able to tell if what I was saying was true or not. But not only that, if someone else then said I was wrong you would lack even enough understanding to tell which of us was right.

    That is where you stand on medical science. You can't judge the information presented in and of itself...but you also can't judge the arguments of those who say modern medicine is wrong.
     
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    I am not one and you could not have done a better job of proving the point that the author of the threaded article made here
     

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