Christianity and Homosexuality

With that said, there is no one size fits all and so everyone is therefore ignorant of this issue. Because of this, then it's vitally important to incarcerate them for life. Except, there are a few that do stop doing it. I would say those are people that perhaps were victims themselves and do know their sexual preference. Except, many pedophiles are those who were victimized in their youth. Some turn to pedophilia while other turn to homosexuality if the perpetrator is of the same sex. That's what I've seen. Either way, pedophilia is a crime of control and of self gratification.

 

I had to work in the area of sex crimes as a family mediator, crown prosecutor (same as District Attorney) for many years. I am now out of it and only work as a professor of Psychology and Law. You can only work in it so long. What I can tell you from havng had to get inside the heads of sexual criminals there are pedophiles and ****philes. Pedophiles precisely as you say are attracted to young children precisely because they have no distinct sexual features. They have no preference. They look for opportunity and access to children who have not yet reached puberty, period. You can't cure it. You can't control it with medication. The term homosexual or heterosexual or bisexual when used in its actual sense means consensual sex between people of full capacity and consent. Society only concerns itself with these 3 behaviours if there is force (non consent), violence, or serious power imbalances that prevent consent.

Then we have ****philes. These philiacs are attracted teens and young adults from puberty to about mid twenties-they are attracted to younger people who now develop sexual features but clearly look young. It is in this category homosexuals have been labelled as beung ****philes because they find young men or women attractive...but so do heterosexuals. The sexuality of young adults to sell material items is replete in our art, culture, movies, music. Its been that way since prehistoric days. The younger a person who has become matured, the more likely they would be healthy to reproduce and that is built into our primal instinct. In fact our primal sexual urges are still there and we subconsciously look for mates outside our immediate gene pool and with a certain kind of body structure but who also remind us of both our mothers, fathers, siblings or people we grew up with and trusted.

Sexuality is complex and is a combination of genetic predisposition, learned behaviour and social conditioning. Religion came about to repress basic primal sexual behaviour patterns such as rape, incest, taking another's mate so that society could build itself into a network of cooperative adults and not remain a set of marauding packs of primates.

The first human societies were led by alpha males who had a monopoly on sex to assure survival of the fittest genes in the pack. Then that evolved although in some societies that still prevails and in our current Western society, alpha male sex behaviour is still common.

Religions for the most part were social tools to repress sexuality and so taught sex should only be used for reproduction and was otherwise something "sinful". In fact religions that teach sex and physicality is evil reflect an inability to deal with primal instincts-the labelling of it as evil is an act to repress. What we now have learned is the more you repress sexual drive the more it will come out only instead of over a longer less intense period, a shorter more intense period.

What we have learned with sexual criminals is our attempts to repress their sexual drive with drugs, incarceration, torture, physical mutilation, doesn't work. In fact you can read studies of pedophiles who were voluntarily castrated and still had sexual urges for children.

What I and others know working in clinical settings with pedophiles and ****philes is that they will not change because they can not change. Like an alcoholic, if they acknowledge their sexual drive is a problem, then it might be possible to keep them in situations where they are not tempted to be in the vicinity of children, but in reality that rarely happens.

Interestingly in the past, many pedophiles and homosexuals or lesbians and heterosexuals all taught their sexual drives became Monks, Priests or Nuns in an attempt to live a lifestyle that would not lend itself to sex but their power over others gave them both access and opportunity to exploit others sexually. It was like putting a drug addict in prison where there is every drug imaginable.

The stereotype that pedophiles or ****philes have lust and are homosexual or heterosexual depending on the person they have sex with is not how its defined. Pedophiles and ****philes will not be attracted to people they can't control with a power imbalance. They need the power imbalance built in, in their favour. Without that power they feel, there is no attraction.

All I can tell you is we would see two kinds. One were sadistic in nature and got off on causing physical or mental pain to vulnerable people, the other kind would portray themselves as child like and innocent and misunderstood and never hurting anyone and would define themselves as kind, passionate and tender with no impure thoughts.

That said, we found many pedophiles, ****philes or people not comfortable with their sexual identity whether they be gay or straight would portray themselves as holier than thou, religious, and quick to condemn others for their sexual behaviour. We found people comfortable about their sexuality would feel no need to defend it, brag about it, even talk about it.

Many men I dealt with who would condemn homosexuality and portray it as religiously evil were in fact struggling with their own homosexual feelings and externalizing those feelings onto others which they then would condemn in an effort to cleanse or purify themselves of the thoughts and no it would not work. These were the kind of people who would become more and more violent but when they did have sex have what is called "homosexual panic" and upon expressing themselves go into a rage beating or killing their sexual partners. That behaviour also was present in heterosexuals who had not resolved their issues and believe me in this world there is no shortage of beaten sex victims, sex workers, children, vulnerable adults.

I could also frighten you and tell you about people who prey on only the elderly or the physically disabled or dead bodies or animals. The world is full of people with this kind of behaviour and luckily most of us should not think about it.

For me I can only tell people, the stereotypes about homosexuals are as inaccurate as the ones about heterosexuality or any sexuality. We don't do enough to educate ourselves on our behaviour. In our Western world of material values where we are taught that value is short lived and you throw things out and get new things and power comes from control over others, it promotes some unhealthy sexual behaviour patterns. As the average human's attention span shrinks and they are taught to quickly throw things out, of course it rolls over into our ability to commit to a relationship for any extended period of time.

 

Thanks!

 

Very interesting opinions and insights you have. I don't agree with some of which you wrote. Your take on religion is like many liberal atheists who simply believe what they want and especially in this evolutionary belief about human beings. And, your idea that we look for mates that have traits of our own family? That was weird. Not a chance with me. I look at "pretty" in different ways. Beautiful, gorgeous, glamorous, sexy or hot. I married someone who was beautiful which doesn't look like anyone in my immediate family. I had a couple of cousins that were hot. But, rarely saw them as they lived thousands of miles away. We obviously have different tastes and so do women.
God did not create religion to suppress sex. He gave us commandments that make for an orderly society that can properly function. As we see the WOK crowd changing everything about sexuality we see confusion, division, more crazy lunatics and a close to complete collapse of our society in America. He never said not to have sexual relations. Just keep them within the bounds the Lord has set for a functional society. Good grief!
So, you wrote a bunch but never gave a conclusion on why pedophiles need to go after young children, especially the very young. A person I knew that raped his 9 year old daughter said he wasn't getting satisfaction from his wife. Why did he believe he needed to get satisfaction from his daughter and as he put it teach his daughter the proper way to please a man? She didn't have a mature body as you put it for teenagers. But, why do you believe they go after really young children? Power? Control they don't have in their life?

 

So all those catholic priests for decades and decades were all victimized people in their youth? So they chose to be a priest?

 

"****philes." It's obviously being censored. Can you type it with a space between each letter?

 

Not true. Part of this topic is homosexuality, and part of my post was talking about sexual orientation.

Which comment? I just quoted from a study! "SOME child molesters abuse children of both genders."

Sure it is. Heterosexuals have lust for the opposite sex. Homosexuals have lust for the same sex.

 

I see that you're attempting to compare certain heterosexual acts between a husband and wife with homosexual acts. Nice try, but Hebrews 13:4 shoots that argument down.
https://www.gotquestions.org/marriage-bed-undefiled.html

So in your mind God created animals that engage in homosexual acts, but doesn't want humans to do so? Is there a homosexual gene in animals that God created?

 

First off thank you for your civil response. Secondly sexology and psychology can offer some theories even more strange and creepy than I shared please trust me on that lol. The one I mentioned where people look for mates to marry or have relationships with that remind them of their parents or siblings or people who had a strong influence in their earlier years did not mean "sexual" attraction. It referred to moral values, emotional expression. Here is what I was referring to:

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih...perience-affects-later-romantic-relationships

https://www.brides.com/relationships-with-parents-5112051

Now the above are simple summaries of some more complex theories. Also I will state it, psychology, and specifically abnormal psychology and sexology as well as criminal psychology and criminology, are all social sciences. Social sciences can no provide absolute definitions or one size fits all approaches. The theories they present as to behaviour pick up repeat patterns of behavour and what triggers them but they are theories always subject to exceptions. No pedophile no matter what behaviour they have in common are the same. Each pedophile like each human has individual characteristics like fingerprints. Our human behaviour is kind of like a script we recorded and play out and it constantly can be upgraded or deleted in part or whole.

Next thing there is no point taking what a pedophile says literally. When one listens to a person who engages in a specific behaviour, the person telling you about their behaviour does not speak literally. They may tell you things but there are things behind what they tell you they have not said and most importantly there are things they are NOT saying as well as things they say non verbally or through the tone of their voice. Words themselves can actually and most often are used as deflections to avoid telling you things and most of us are not necessarly aware we are avoiding, denying or deflecting from what is asked of us.

No you asked me what motivates a pedophile. I can give you articles like this if you want:

https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/psychopathology-and-personality-traits-pedophiles

https://mhmatters.com/profile-of-a-pedophile/

Its not necessarily easy to understand so let me try explain it this way. You said, "So, you wrote a bunch but never gave a conclusion on why pedophiles need to go after young children, especially the very young.."

To answer the above "need" is a word that depends on the context you use it in. In one term of reference I would answer you by saying NO ONE NEEDS to have sex with non consenting people if we are making a moral judgement or an ethical judgement or speaking in general terms of common sense and understanding sex should always be between two consensual parties and to be consensual they both have to be of equal footing and one is not taking advantage of the other. You and I of course would agree in that sense there is NEVER a need to be a pedophile

When we use the term to express a pedophile, "need" means their sex drive. They have a sex drive that is not based on rational thought. It is an overwhelming urge. Its similar to the urge addicts have to need heroin, alcohol, gambling, eating. Its a powerful, dominant physical urge that that overwhelms all the senses in this kind of person. There is no rational reason for it any more there is a rational reason to drink oneself to death.

So we do not define the words as to what a pedophile says as to why they molested someone. Its just words or what we call "rationalizations"...which means an attempt to use words to explain an urge that the person has that they acted out which was criminal.

The only thing we really listen for is how such people operate, i.e., how they groom their targeted victims and how they place themselves in positions of authority, trust and access over the people they molest. We want to try predict and know the methods of operation (m.o.) they might use. Their rationalizations as to why they did what they did are not things we take literally. We only analyze them from th e point of view as to how those words are used to deflect, confuse, avoid responsibility.

So this is why I can't give you an answer as to why pedophiles feel the need. I can only tell you they told people like me they feel an overwhelming urge.

Hope that answers what you asked and my intent is not to question your religious or moral values as to the theory of evolution or the New or Old Testament.

 

You use the term "lust". In the dictionary the term refers to a very strong sexual drive.

In today's psychology, sex drive is relative. What is "strong" or "weaK" in terms of the intensity of a sexual feeling is a complex pheomena involving physiology, diet, exercise, environmental and social stressors, drugs, genetic predisposition, neurological and other phenomena.

Not all homosexuals or heterosexuals will have "lust". They might have degrees of sexual urge ranging from 0 to 100.

I can tell you with people with sexual disorders, the major difference is they seem to have a sexual urge they can not turn off or control that is causing them a conflict.

Lust was used in the past to describe people out of control with sexual desire.

 

That's an absurd response. One size fits all is fictitious and does no one any help. That would be like lumping all Republicans in with Trump. Or all Democrats in with Biden.
The Catholic Priests that molest small children or teenagers perhaps became priests for the purpose to be molesters. Some became priests and after they joined they became molesters not knowing they were before. Same with teachers who want to be near children but within the educations system is secular and atheistic. The crime isn't being Catholic or Atheist. The crime isn't the organization. The crime are the people that did nothing to stop it, report it, hid it or participated in it and the criminals themselves.

Do you doubt that a good number of child molesters were molested themselves? You would be wrong. Much of it is kept quiet because a lot of it runs in family lines from generation to generation. It's pretty much about control. One abused feels out of control and feels they must molest someone else to gain back control. This sort of thing is quite common in human nature. Athletes are very competitive and don't like someone showing them up, beating them. So, they have to repay the whipping. Control. Rape is more of a control issue as well probably stemming from physical and mental abuse by a family member growing up. If it was just about gratification then they could just jack off...

 

You are constantly making HUGE assumptions without citing any actual evidence or the analysis of those who actually study this issue.

That's not useful, even in a discussion.

 

Ummm...no. I did not attempt to compare oral sex with homosexual acts. Perhaps your guilt drove you to that conclusion. If you read Hebrews 13:4, it simply says sexual intercourse is between a man and a woman who are married. "Undefiled" has nothing to do with anal sex or oral sex. It's possible to be a whoremonger in marriage by doing that which whores do that is unrighteous sex.
Humans are not animals. They are created as gods in embryo with rules to live by called commandments. Animals are not. They are directed by their hardwiring instinctive gifts from God. When the fall happened, creations no longer did everything right. But, that doesn't have anything to do with this topic. Whether heterosexual or homosexual, both must live by the laws and commandments of God or be considered whoremongers and adulterers. God will judge harshly with the procreative gifts and our conscious decisions while using them. That's why most of psychology is full of crap trying to give disease names to sinful acts and thoughts.

 

Wow!!!

So, how do you explain God's blessing of Lot for having drunken sex with his daughters?

 

Thank you for the clarification. It does make sense to me. Sexual drives are controlling in its nature. To direct this drive to fit into an orderly social system like our current life religion does attempt to do this as far as most Christianity and Judaism is concerned. As I mentioned, God established rules to live by for that very purpose. It is also known that rape, child molestation and all manners of physical and emotional abuse stems from a person who has lost control of those things important and very personal to them. To gain back control, the abuser needs to be in a position of power and control over another. Molestations of any age give control and power to the abuser in their minds. But, what about the organizations promote pedophilia? They aren't that quiet about it. They are all sick. But, what floats their boats?

 

I know several who were caught molesting young children and they all were victims of the same abuse. Several became homosexuals.
In fact, one of my close family member's nephew was caught molesting a neighborhood boy when he was 13. He was abused by an uncle who was abused by that uncle's uncle. And, it goes back even further.
https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour...-perpetrator/A98434C25DB8619FB8F1E8654B651A88
When you look at those numbers, they aren't close to this study that says male victims become criminals at a very small rate. Guess depends who is doing the study and how the numbers are interpreted. https://theconversation.com/child-sex-abuse-doesnt-create-paedophiles-60373 I disagree with this one.

 

Reading comprehension issues again? What Lot did was sinful. And, since he was drunk and mostly unconscious, it was his daughters who were as Hebrews 13:4 said, whoremongers. A question would be, did Lot have commandments that prohibited incest at the time? Restrictions on sexual behaviors were mainly given through Moses. I'm sure there were laws and commandments for those from Adam to Moses. But, again, for an orderly society. Israel needed all the commandments they were given to be able to make it through the 40 years of traveling. We definitely need them today as we see the confusion and destruction caused by liberal fruitcakes who have no clue what gender they are and how to express gender in people.

 

No, it depends on actually DOING a study.

Remembering incidents is NOT a study - not by a LONG shot.

You don't even claim to know ANY of the actual analysis of those involved.

You don't mention how many people that age that you have ever known in any way.

Etc.

There isn't ANY element of an actual study that you know ANYTHING about.

 

LOL!!

 

You shouldn't confuse gender identity with sexuality. They are grouped together. But LGBT is only for the T now. They follow more the conservative Christian view on sexuality than understanding sexuality isn't mutable.

 

Well you did claim 1 size doesn't fit all. But you did say many peds were victimized.

So, were many priests victimized as a youth then chose to be a priest?

I do doubt a good number of child molesters were molested themselves. Do you have data to back that claim or is it an absurd claim?

 

Some people want to fight what everyone else knows is right...

 

Is this one of those what "IS", "IS moments? Gender identity is very simple. You have an innie or an outie? You are therefore male or female. "T" is for holloweenie.

 

I've posted the study...

 

From your position perhaps. trans activism shares more with Christian view points you are espousing. They think you can change your sexual orientation as do you.