Christians and Halal Products

Except you don't know the first thing about Islam.. "God is NOT fed neither does He eat."

Innocent blood does NOT ameliorate sin in Islam.. Every man is accountable to God.. and idolatry, including Icons, are considered Haram.

You are in error.. and too stubborn and ignorant to be teachable.

In the Time of the Ignorance.. bedouin carried their gods around in boxes on litters...and they killed captives for two reasons.. They coudn't afford to feed them and they could get a two-fer by sacrificing them to their gods. They also had many houshold idols.

Are you so ignorant that you think the transition to monotheism was instantaneous? IT WASN'T .. not for the Muslims or the Jews.

 

Muslims and secular government.

 

Oh bull.. Have you ever been in a bedouin camp for dinner?

The objective and the skill of Halal is to soothe the animal and cut its throat quickly..

YOU BLOVIATE.

 

Please. I'm familiar with the history of the Israelites and everything that you have alluded to. It is all irrelevant. Mohammad was not a prophet and Allah is not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob regardless of what Muslims believe. That's one reason why I'm a Christian not a Muslim. I don't believe any of it.

Good book on some of what you have alluded to:

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I'm speechless...I know all about halal and kosher slaughter. It is the most humane method of slaughter. You really haven't understood anything I've said have you?

 

LOLOL..

I too am a Christian, but I am also educated.

 

Then quit all your complaining on this forum and take the matter up with those that are interfering with your preferred 'choice'. Isn't it nice to be able to admit that others are taking away your rights? Just think about it. . As far as that particular right of choice is concerned, you have admitted to being a slave to the whims of others.

 

No complaining from me.

Have done.

Not sure what you mean. You maybe misunderstand the point of the thread. If I wanted to complain about halal products being unlabelled I would not have posted it in the religion section. I was interested to hear/discuss what other people think about halal products and idolatry.

 

LOLOL.. Have you ever been to a Halal store?

We are only slaves to ignorance.

 

Margot, didn't I tell you I've been to Egypt, Turkey, Morocco and Israel? Why are you trolling this thread Margot?

What am I ignorant about Margot? Do you not agree with me that halal slaughter is a humane form of slaughter and that it shouldn't be banned? Why are you trolling this thread Margot?

 

It is a humane form of slaughter and has NOTHING to do with idolatry.. If you think the Eid feast is about idolatry, then you would also think that sharing a Christmas turkey would be idolatry.

 

To sum it all up... I could care less about it, and could care even less what relevance it has to the time of day or for that matter, how it affects your life.

 

Firstly, how would I learn this by attending a halal store? Secondly, it would depend on whether you personally believe that the deity Muslims offer livestock to is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob wouldn't it? If I don't believe that Allah is the only God and Mohammad was his prophet then that's all that matters isn't it? I believe that Allah is a false God and Mohammad was a false prophet understand? Why would I care what you believe?

It's a celebration of an Islamic perversion of the Bible whereby Abraham goes to Arabia instead of Egypt. What on earth does that have to with anything Margot? Will you answer my question? Why are you trolling this thread?

WTF? Why are you trolling this thread? Does this forum have an 'ignore' feature? I'm going to find out Margot; I'm going to find out.

 

Well thanks for dropping by and giving your thoughts. However I was interested in discussing the scriptural basis for prohibitions on idolatry. Sorry if anything I have said has offended you - not sure why. All the best.

 

Did you write that????????????

 

Yes Margot...why??????????? Why do you ask????????? Are you trolling again?????????

 

Genesis 21:17-21

New International Version (NIV)


17 God heard the boy crying, and the angel of God called to Hagar from heaven and said to her, “What is the matter, Hagar? Do not be afraid; God has heard the boy crying as he lies there. 18 Lift the boy up and take him by the hand, for I will make him into a great nation.”

19 Then God opened her eyes and she saw a well of water. So she went and filled the skin with water and gave the boy a drink.

20 God was with the boy as he grew up. He lived in the desert and became an archer. 21 While he was living in the Desert of Paran, his mother got a wife for him from Egypt.

(Abraham went to Egypt before he went to Arabia)

 

I thought you were a Christian Margot? Christians and Jews believe that Paran was in Egypt. Only Muslims believe that Paran was in Arabia.

 

An 1851 Arabic translation of the Samaritan Pentateuch includes a footnote also equating Paran with the Hijaz. Yaqut al-Hamawi, the 12th century Syrian geographer, writes that Faran is "an arabized Hebrew word.

One of the names of Mecca mentioned in the Torah."

There is a Tal Faran ("Hill of Faran") on the outskirts of Mecca.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desert_of_Pa

 

So you're not a Christian Margot? Taqiyya was it?

 

Good grief.. are you claiming that only Muslims can be educated?

 

What denomination are you Margot?

 

Episcopalian, but I have gone to the Methodist church quite a lot.

 

Have a look at Adam Clarke's commentary. The Paran wilderness mentioned in Genesis 21 was 'in the vicinity of Mt Sinai' not the Hejaz. As I told you, you are disseminating an Islamic perversion of the Bible.

 

Tell me, can you tell what is Halal or otherwise without it being labeled? Does it taste different? Look different? Feel different? No. So why would eating it be bad? If you don't want to eat Halal, then phone up all the companies you eat from and ask them if they have Halal food or not. Ignorance should be such a pain in the @ss for you people.

LMAO Halal isn't idol worship... Allah is God. God is Allah. Just because you do not agree doesn't mean it's false. The same God as Abraham (PBUH).

Want proof? When we slaughter our animal on Eid al-Adha, guess what we do it for? To show respect and honor what Abraham (PBUH) was about to sacrifice his son to Allah SWT. And what do we do with the animal? We split it up between ourselves, friends and family, and the poor.

I don't get where you think Islam is idol worship, or there is something wrong with Halal foods. A Muslim can eat both Halal or Kosher food. It's all the same. So if you eat Kosher, you can eat Halal. And if you eat Halal, you can eat Kosher. I'm trying to make it easy to understand.

And a Halal/Kosher slaughter is FAR more humane than what corporations do to their animals. It's not even comparable.

Salam