Circumcision: a medically unnnecessary scam!

It wasn't ME , no no no , you're on your own on this 'en , Mak ...

I'm running away just fast as I can ... bye ...

 

im happy my parents got my penis trimmed

it would hurt getting it as an adult

 

My parents had mine done when I was an infant. I don't remember it and I don't miss it. I have a great sex life. I like the way it looks. My partners haven't had a problem with it. I find it marginally convenient that I don't have to bother with a foreskin. That being said, I probably wouldn't care if I did still have one.

Neither of my sons were circumcized. My doctor asked us if we wanted it done. He told us there was really no compelling reason to get it done and there was also no compelling reason not to get it done. My wife and I chose "not" simply because we figured less cutting was better. I would have been ok with it if my wife had wanted our sons done. She would have been fine with it if I'd wanted it done.

I think that the majority of people choose one way or the other for aesthetic reasons. The medical danger of having it done is relatively miniscule. The medical danger of not having it done is relatively miniscule.

I think that whole argument is much ado about nothing. Those that advocate for it can't seem to prove any particular benefit or harm, but neither can those who argue against it.

By the way, any analogy that uses female circumcision in it is woefully misguided in my opinion. They really aren't the same thing. Most female circumcisions involve at least the partial (and often) full removal of the clitoris thus greatly affecting the sexual enjoyment of the woman in question. It's pretty darned life altering. Female circumcision would be much more analogous to the removal of the penis, not simply the removal of the foreskin.

 

Yeah, it is relatively minor it is still an infringement of the infants right to bodily integrity. It is not so minor for the , mercifully few, babies who dies during the unnecessary procedure.

All those who I have seen refer to FGM in this thread have been careful to highlight that they are specifically referring to those forms which are restricted to the clitoral hood or labia minor not the clitoris.

 

I hear ya , whew , I don't know that a man could it done anyway , bleed too much , sheesh , just thinking about it makes me shiver , sheesh.

that's what I said , leave the gals out of it , sheesh .

 

It's more hygenic, and easier to clean, but other than that, it's mostly a religious thing.

 

Obviously false.

 

more hygienic than what, not washing ?

 

I actually don't think it's more hygenic as long as an unsnipped one is cleaned properly. It is slightly easier to clean in that you don't have to pull back the foreskin ... although, how much trouble is that really?

 

It's not hard at all. I never knew cleaning properly was that hard that we need to snip it. Makes me wonder how unhygienic us men really are.

Crazy how much this issue flusters people. I don't plan on circumcising my children, if they want to do it when they are adults go for it.

 

maybe the circumcised penis of an unhygienic man remains hygienic and fresh.

 

Not at all, but a circumcised man has to wash his crotch while an uncircumcised man has to pull back his foreskin and wash his crotch. That's one very minor extra step, but an extra step none the less. I suppose having one arm may warrant circumcision for reasons of hygene ...

 

that sounds like a full days work, way harder than cleaning under your nails for sure.

 

Haha, I really hope this isn't a common thought or belief.

 

apparently so.
Circumcision keeps filthy pig's penises clean.

 

Saying it is bad hygiene to not circumcise is an excuse. If a parent is not willing to properly wash their child because they are squeamish about touching their son's penis, then they should have thought of that. Are these types of parents also loath to clean their daughter's vagina, to the point where a two year old could get a yeast infection or worse because of squeamish parents? Having a child entails all sorts of "icky" things, but when one has a child they need to be willing to do these things. If they are not, they have no business having a child. (when it comes to grown men, well they have the right to make their own decisions)

There are cases when it is medically necessary to circumcise (for example: a friend's boyfriend had to undergo the procedure in his twenties because his foreskin lost its elasticity and was cutting off blood flow and preventing urination), but these are not the norm. Ultimately it is a parent's decision, but not wishing to clean your child's genitals is a pathetic excuse.

And by the way, children regularly touch their genitals, it is how they understand their bodies. The reason they begin to feel shame and avoid it is because their parents teach them that. Better to teach children that their genitals are a natural part of them, but there is a time and place for everything, like not touching themselves in a grocery store.

http://psychcentral.com/lib/2007/is-it-normal-for-a-toddler-to-touch-themselves/

 

I remember watching a documentary on circumcision made by an amateur Jewish film director who disagreed with the practice. I couldn't even finish it it was so horrible and gross.

 

Priot to puberty the foreskin is sealed to the bell end. Watch a youtube clip of a circumcision and tell me it's natural!

 

Could it be that this kids has been sublininally tought that his dick is a bad thing?

 

Ehhh? 100,000 years of stunningly beautiful human evolution and this one bit was missed? Give me a break! There are no health risks involved with having a foreskin.

 

Most women find it attractive for the most sensitive part of their partners genitles to have been cut off? WOW, there's some really nice women over there in the US.

 

The foreskin is there for the purpose of sex - consider the action of the deed. Perhaps that's why in the US, lubes seem to be well used for sex.

 

Boys don't want to touch themselves? LOL! Interesting....I have 3 sons (& a couple ex-husbands), & that's NEVER been a 'problem'!

As for the hygiene part of it-I started right from when they were babies teaching them to keep it clean-just as I did with their belly buttons & behind their ears-& none of them EVER had any problems with infection or anything other 'penile ailments'.

I was actually torn on what to do when I gave birth to my oldest son, as to what to do about it-largely because my dad was COMPLETELY against me even considering not having him circumcised (he was mostly concerned that he would be teased in the locker room as he got older for "looking different" from the other boys), but I didn't feel it was medically necessary & it wasn't a requirement of my religion (in fact, Jesus wasn't circumcised when He was a baby!), so I had a heart-to-heart with my Doctor, who was also to be his Pediatrician. When I raised the question with him, he pointed to a picture on his desk & said to me (Dr) "Do you see that little boy in the picture?" (me) "Yes" (Dr) "Well, that's my son, & he isn't circumcised" (me) "Mind if I ask you why not?" (Dr) "Because there is absolutely NO medically necessary reason for doing it. As long as you teach him from the beginning to keep it clean, & explain WHY that's necessary as he gets older, then that's all you need to do. None of the men in my family are circumcised with the exception of one cousin, & that includes myself" (me) "Well Doc-if it's good enough for you & your son, especially with you being a Doctor, then it's certainly good enough for my son-I completely trust you!". (This Dr was also my parents' Dr...he took care of our whole family-until we moved to FL anyway-& I knew that my Pops trusted him too, even though he would disagree on this particular issue)

I felt that IF they decided, after they turned 18, that they felt strongly about having it done, that THEY could make that decision to get it done since it's THEIR penis (& knowing that as adults, anesthetic & pain killers would be an option-which was NOT an option when they were babies).

Well, my boys are now 19, 17 & 14 & I'm happy to say that there has never been a single problem with any of their 'units' with keeping them clean! And YES, I always 'checked' when they began to shower by themselves-until they were old enough & had been doing it long enough that I felt comfortable that it was no longer necessary for me to 'inspect' them-again, same as behind the ears/in the belly button/butt crack/etc.....& while I would HOPE none of them are *ahem* 'using' them YET - we've always been very close & I'd like to think that IF there are ever any 'issues' in that department, they'd come to me about it (they've all come to me with other personal issues, because they know that even tho I'm still "Mom", I'm also "Paramedic" & USUALLY know how to take care of whatever might happen-OR, at least if I can't, I would take them to the Doctor where they also know they can say anything & he won't 'tattle', so I HOPE if there were a problem I'd have known about it!).

And as for the gym class & sports locker room stuff-I actually HAVE talked to all 3 of them about that & not only have they never been teased about it, but they've all said that there's AT LEAST one other boy (several others with my middle one) who also wasn't circumcised-so that's never been any kind of an issue either.

In MY opinion, it's merely a matter of proper parenting; teaching proper bathing habits (no differently than brushing teeth/washing anywhere else); regular well-child physicals with their Pediatrician/Family Dr; regular open communication (with BOTH parents-even if divorced/not together); & always addressing their questions/concerns honestly to ensure they'll always be comfortable coming to you in the future with any concerns. Honestly-I wouldn't have handled anything any differently if they had been circumcised, or if they were girls....it's just being the best Mom I know how to be. I also have an ex that wasn't circumcised & speaking as the female in that relationship-there were never ANY issues sexually or aesthetically with him no being cut. I feel that if a woman is THAT shallow to have issues with her partner not being circumcised, then SHE is the one with the problems anyway!

And truth be told-if I had it to do over again, I still wouldn't have had them circumcised. So that's my .02 cents!

 

sadly many the rough and tumble, freedom loving, butt kicking american men on this forum aren't strong enough to stand up and look different, or to tell a potential mate to take a hike if they don't like the way God made their winkie.

 

True! And might I add that I've been with both, & MUCH prefer the uncut, myself. Feels much better. Just sayin'....