Civics Education in the US

Since when does the electoral college make us a nation of 50 states? At the time it was written into the constitution, there were a mere 13 colonies. The rest of your post makes no sense.

I've posted links many times on this forum when the subject comes up and it becomes plain that so many here, especially on the right, don't know the history of the EC. I'm no longer willing to waste that much time. Either google it and come back when it makes sense to you, or don't.

 

I don't troll you _ _ _ _

 

Oh, ffs.

 

I know the history of the EC it's in the Constitution and the 12th amendment was made to clarify voting for president and V.P.


Again how/why would Texas or Hawaii agree to become a state with out the EC?

 

Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

 

Basic civics class desperately needed. Where did I say anything about how Senators are chosen? Even if your governor did the choosing, or your state legislature, or whoever, you still get two.

What 38 states? What happened to the other 12? Sign up to what? Go ahead, look it up ... I'll wait for ya.

 

Well get out there and get to amending. You are aware that California is kinda purple? When you get outside the cities people aren't as crazy as the news makes them out to be. Proportional voting might not be the problem solver you think it would be.

 

It is as erroneous to claim that the POTUS "represents" individual Americans as it is to claim that the United States is any sort, hybrid or partial Democracy. State elected representatives represent district constituencies of individuals but NOT individuals themselves. Federal elected HOUSE members represent constituent districts of individuals, but NOT individuals themselves. Senators represent STATES consisting of individuals but not individuals themselves, regardless of how they are elected, and the POTUS executes and represents the LAWS of the land that issue from those OTHER representative bodies, not "the people," not individuals, not even a constituency.

This is by design to attempt to insure that our government NEVER becomes anything like a Democracy. The Federalist Papers, written by some of the more statist members of the Framers, do not EVER cite to a Democracy, but to a REPUBLIC that contains elements of representative, individual voting. It is fair in casual discussion to refer to principles such as a "government of the people," and that is what a Republic is, but it is not acceptable to extrapolate and strain casual "for the people" appeals into the ACTUAL LEGAL STATUS AND STRUCTURE of the United States as it ACTUALLY EXISTS.

That, as a matter of irrefutable legal fact and not opinion, is how our government is structured and works. You can attempt to muddy and muddle that fact with semantics and verbiage however you like, but it will not change that FACT of our law. You are free to wish that FACT other than it is, and advocate as such, but the ignorant leftist-statist practice of misrepresenting aspects of our government to be more democratic than they in fact are get really truly tiresome. Feel free to disagree with the EC all you like and advocate for changing it, but legal and quasi legal appeals against the EC are pure, flatutent wind with no legal substance behind them whatsoever.

It is also disingenuous and a LIE NARRATIVE to claim that any Americans allowed a universal vote in our existing legal structure are "disenfranchised." Just stop it.

This is basic stuff, so ironic in a thread on alleged lack in "civics education."

 

And yet you jumped into the middle of a debate and chose to completely misunderstand my point and got snarky about it. Sure seemed like trolling to me. In future, don't reply to my posts unless you read the previous ones first.

 

So now you dont know what 3/4th of 50 is to ratify an amendment?

Clue its 38 states, and after 40 years? The ERA amendment is stuck on 37 states.

 

They don't have to make a compact, they can change their method of selection as they please.

https://www.270towin.com/alternative-electoral-college-allocation-methods/

 

It's a compact..unless they change it into a fine or some other nonsense



An interstate compact is an agreement between two or more states of the United States that is approved by those states' respective legislatures, and, if required based on the subject matter of the compact, consented to by the US Congress. Compacts that receive congressional consent become federal law.

Library of Congress (.gov) › help
Interstate Compacts in the United States - Library of Congress

 

Didn't VA become 38 in just this last election?

 

But they don't have to make a compact to make the change, do they?

 

They flipped, but they didn't ratify the ERA, unless you know something I dont know?

Last I read Illinois was number 37.

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The word on the streets is they already admitted it,

No?

 

What does the EC have to do with becoming a state? Here's the actual process for your edification:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admission_to_the_Union#Text

Do a text search. The words "electoral," "college," or "electoral college" are found nowhere.

Here's the 12th Amendment history:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelfth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

Please find the process within that amendment that covers becoming a state, and quote it back to me, because I found no such thing.

You seem to be very confused about the EC, and about how a territory becomes a state. To quote a favorite movie line, "What we have here is failure to communicate." If you left something out that ties the two together, show it to me.

 

It's an acronym for Don't Even kNow I Am Lying.

What am I denying?

 

I still haven't read anything searching real fast, but check this out...


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pb...qual-rights-amendment-edges-closer-to-reality

 

Not for long, if what I heard a couple weeks ago proves out. Virginia's state legislature has turned blue, and it's on their agenda.

Yes, I'm aware of the 3/4ths rule, but your post didn't state that that's what you were talking about. Clarity, please. I'm a minimalist, but geez! That was cryptic.

 

They passed the 17th amendment, how did that happen?

 

If that goes through it will just about eliminate the abortion debate as abortion as a right is included within it.

https://lozierinstitute.org/reviving-the-equal-rights-amendment-to-keep-abortion-legal/

 

1913? That was an interesting year the federal income taxes started , federal reserve started...

 

Huh did you read this entire thread, or just mad at me for my knowledge of the subject?


Btw it's funny no one mentioned the 1969 Bayh-Celler amendment, it passed the house to get rid of the EC and failed in the Senate.

 

What does the EC have to do with becoming a state


Wait a second so your Texas and you would join the union with out an EC, cowboys vs suits in the city?