Climate Change 2022: Mitigation of Climate Change

Oh yes we are.

 

Who said temps conveniently stopped rising on my whims? More fallacy.

Did you just present selective facts about Nigerian flooding to counter the fact global deaths from natural climate disasters have fallen drastically? Oh dear!




Did you just pick a selective fact penguins like snow?

LOL

My facts are lies? Your better than this Tigger.

 

Pakistan is attempting what you said will never happen. I’m sorry you can’t deal with that fact either.

 

Nothing has increased except the hype.
I have long been intrigued by the incongruity of anthropogenic global warming's surprisingly thin evidence base and the adamancy of its advocates. Their use of the term "denier" to describe those skeptical of AGW suggests a state of mind outside that commonly associated with scientific inquiry. I have been struck by a juxtaposition which may explain (at least in part) this phenomenon.

One side is a book I first encountered fifty years ago, The Pursuit of the Millennium by Norman Cohn. The other is a relatively new (2017) book, Searching for the Catastrophe Signal by Bernie Lewin. There is a long tradition of millenarian thought in western civilization, and it's not surprising that chiliastic yearning has survived the decline in formal religious practice in the 20th and 21st centuries. This may be the key to understanding the psychology of AGW advocacy. Replace the biblical "end times" with a postulated hothouse Earth and present a millennium of renewable, carbon-free energy sources, and it all fits together pretty snugly.

Nothing but absolute faith in the righteousness of their cause can really explain the maneuvers of AGW advocates in the early IPCC. Even more to the point is their continuing pride in those maneuvers -- several of them are among Lewin's most important sources.

The Pursuit of the Millennium - Norman Cohn - Oxford University Press[/h]https://global.oup.com/academic/.../the-pursuit-of-the-millennium-9780195004564
May 15, 1970 - The end of the millennium has always held the world in fear of earthquakes, plague, and the catastrophic destruction of the world. At the dawn ...

Searching for the Catastrophe Signal: The Origins of ... - Google Books[/h]https://books.google.com/books/about/Searching_for_the_Catastrophe_Signal.html?id...
Nov 21, 2017 - The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change - the IPCC - is the global authority on climate science and behind some of the most important ...

 

One hundred years ago your countrymen were destroying Pakistan forest and implementing waterworks infrastructure not suitable to Pakistan’s geography before you helped destroy their forests. Now that their forests are gone the waterworks designs are catastrophic.

Quote me saying temps can rise 1.5°C with no side effects. Go ahead. Let’s see who’s lying Tigger. You are the one being dishonest. I present facts. You can’t deal with facts so are calling verifiable facts lies while making up accusations out of whole cloth.

You had better start caring about historical temps. Because what your subjective opinion is about perfect climate today is irrelevant. You are advocating for temps we KNOW kill more people.

 

Are you actually claiming Pakistan will be returning the forests to 1900 levels.

 

So?

Much harder job, quote you acknowledging they do.

 

Yep that's your MO Earthquakes plagues The world has left you behind.

 

You made the false accusations. Back it up.

 

I don't think you realize you're making my point.

 

I’m claiming it’s possible to achieve that, yes. Whether it happens or not is irrelevant. Are you claiming atmospheric CO2 levels are returning to 1900 levels because you advocate for renewable energy?

Please, please try to avoid fallacious arguments when you meet facts you are unwilling to accept.

 

So you don’t care about the anthropogenic climate change your ancestors facilitated? I see. You still want to fix the stop sign in the spleen with a manicure.

 

You can't prove a negative, but here's a golden opportunity to give some examples.

Ah possible to achieve it. Just gets better and better.. But apparently irrelevant because I want to stop AGW.

That analogy doesn't even make sense.

I care about anthropogenic climate change your ancestors facilitated, but there's not much I can do about it apart from doing something about it now. Are you up for paying reparations for being the biggest polluter on the planet by a country mile or are you still claiming AGW has no bad side effects.

 

You accused me of saying there can be 1.5°C of warming without side effects. You made a statement that IS NOT a negative. Back it up Tigger. You have destroyed about all the credibility you had here. You have a chance to redeem some of it here. Offer evidence I’ve posted what you claim I posted.

I offered evidence it’s achievable. You claimed it was not achievable based on bogus population density figures I showed were bogus.

It makes perfect sense to people who are well informed on climate and what affects climate. You refuse to be informed and choose opinions and false premises over verifiable facts and overwhelming evidence.

I’m advocating for science based solutions. I have never asked for or offered restitution. I’ve simply stated FACTS about climatology. I’ve educated PF on climate facts you can not find in common narratives. I’ve offered SOLUTIONS based on decades of peer reviewed science.

Again you claim I’ve said AGW has no bad side effects. That accusation is patently false and that completely ends any credibility you have. The statement that I’ve claimed AGW has no bad side effects is a lie.

 

If that is less than a drop, then what is YOUR theory on where the massive amount of carbon came from when we hit the industrial age and started mining carbon and spewing it into the air?

 

"Massive amount of carbon"? 0.04% (400ppm) is massive?

 

The little ice age ended. Massive amounts of greenhouse gasses trapped in ice and under it was released. The same thing that's happening all over northern Russia right now. It's relasing methane

 

I don't see the USA reforesting other countries. We can't even stop the Amazon forest destruction - trees that already exist!

The way we are organized as a world is that every country makes its own decisions.

Through the IPCC, there are efforts to get countries to commit to reductions in greenhouse gas emissions. There are suggestions concerning how they might do that. And, there is varying commitment - including from the USA, which strongly opposed the IPCC for years, without providing any other direction. Even today, what's the chance that we could get the Trump-led GOP to support the IPCC or help other countries with their energy futures and reforestation projects?

For a long time now, we've known that the deforestation taking place in the Amazon is a gigantic tragedy of multiple dimensions - not just climate related. Knowing that solves NOTHING.

imho, one of the most important directions WE can take is to solve OUR contribution. We are the worst country in the world in terms of greenhouse gas emissions per capita (outside of some tiny countries).

We have VERY little to say to IPCC countries when we are the worst, especially since a whole lot of our current situation was caused by the manufacturing industry in the USA that brought us such enormous wealth. Telling these nations that THEY need to fix the problem is fundamentally insulting, especially if we aren't carrying the weight of what our country contributes to the problem.

We are the USA. We need to show leadership. Telling Pakistan to plant trees or telling those in the Amazon to stop cutting them down is not a solution - even though it might well be if they followed our talk and we helped.

How much land do you believe the USA could reforest in the USA?

 

Siberian volcanic eruptions caused extinction 250 million years ago, new evidence shows
This new evidence of a nickel fingerprint at the time of the extinctions convinced the scientists that it was the volcanic upheaval in Siberia that produced intense global warming and other environmental changes that led to the disappearance of more than 90 percent of all species

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/10/171002105227.htm

Looks like Russia is at it again.

 

Well, the USA emitted 4.87 billion metric tons of carbon into the atmosphere per year due to energy production in 2021.

It's been worse, and was lower for a year, probably due to COVID.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/183943/us-carbon-dioxide-emissions-from-1999/

That sounds like a lot to me!

It IS important to recognize that the volume of atmosphere around the world is gigantic. But, that gets into the issue of how much of a change in CO2 and other greenhouse gasses is necessary to help Earth get warmer.

 

Yep sounds like a big number, BUT the atmosphere is even bigger - way bigger so those billions of tons still represents a teeny-tiny amount in the big picture.
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But let's look at the big picture you glossed over in your link:

 

There's is 5.5 quadrillion tons of gas in the atmosphere.

That's more than a million times more. Also. 50% of carbon gets absorbed by the oceans. So it's actually even greater

So as far as air is concerned, human impact attributes to less than 0.000001% on the global scale

 

No I didn't I said you refuse to acknowledge it.

I offered no population density numbers, let alone bogus ones. Your just making stuff up now. I said agriculture and growing food was the issue. with returning Pakistan's forests to 1900 levels.
Next you laughably switched from they were doing it to its possible to achieve it.

 

To further demonstrate the disingenuous nature of @Tigger2 claiming I’ve said AGW comes with no bad side effects I offer EVIDENCE to the contrary. I’ve specifically pointed to negative side effects many times.

 

That's not a satisfactory way of analyzing the problem.

There is NO necessity for change to involve equivalent volumes or weights.

All that is necessary is allow the sun to heat earth and slow heat leaving Earth for outer space.

Like two elephants on a see-saw, a small child can cause a serious imbalance.