Climate change: A cooling consensus

Your above post reminded me again about the absolute IDIOCY that Yuppies think because they plug their Electric Car into a cataleptic in their garage and charge it up that they are somehow saving the environment.

The FACT is that more CO2 and Pollution is released into the atmosphere just to power the electric lines going to that Electric Car Driving Yuppies home than if they were driving a 78 Dodge with a V-8!!! LOL!!!

I mean...where do they think this electricity is coming from and how do they think they are getting it.

Most electrical generation plants are FOSSIL FUELED POWERED and we really need to have our U.S. Military de-classify Low Temp.Micro-Fusion Reactor Tech.

AboveAlpha

 

In 20 years you're going to look back and avert your eyes to the fact that you fell for this nonsense.

Alarmism isn't anything new - we're constantly being told the end is nigh if we don't repent. James Hansen was screaming in the 80's that we were only a few years away from irreversible calamity.

We haven't warmed at all in the past 16-18 years, global sea ice is not disappearing, we're likely heading into a cooling period due to cooling ocean cycles and sun cycles, CO2 is a trace gas that has never been shown to drive temperature or climate, on and on...

Why you alarmists choose to get all goosebumpy about hyperbolic, apocolyptic propaganda is beyond me. Like I said, in 20 years you'll look back and be happy to bury the views you hold today as an embarrassment.

 

Oh! I am interested in further research - and in fact that blog when you REALLY read it a) confirms climate change is happening b) confirms that the current pause in global temperature rise is actually a false signal because the oceans have been absorbing some of the temperature which otherwise should have and would have been in the atmosphere

But it does NOT refute global warming

 

I have been called many things by people who know me but never has ANYONE who really knows me has ever labeled me an ALARMIST as that word is about as far away from who and what I am than you could ever know.

What I have been detailing specific to Global Warming and U.S. Military preparations for it are things I know EXTREMELY WELL because what my JOB is as I work with members of the U.S. Military.

The U.S. Navy is BUILDING a MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR COLD WEATHER ARCTIC CARRIER GROUP!!!

This is a FACT....PERIOD!!!!

The Russian's have even gone so far as to use a deep diving Mini-Sub and place a small RUSSIAN FLAG at the bottom of an area of the Arctic Ocean where the Russian believe exists large oil deposits and just a few years ago such a dive WOULD HAVE BEEN IMPOSSIBLE as this area for the past 800,000 years has had OCEAN PACK ICE on it YEAR ROUND....but not anymore.

You can believe what you want....but we who actually KNOW the facts and realities don't have time to waste on petty Politically driven bickering.

When a REAL THREAT EXISTS.....the U.S. Military prepares for it....and nothing say's something is a reality than when the Navy which has been eager to retire Nimitz so that the 3 new Ford Class Carrier Groups can be deployed has to slow down their deployment to sink BILLIONS into refitting a Carrier they wanted to retire to free up Budget Money for other desired weapon systems.

You do not have nearly the needed knowledge about this to have an adequate debate with me.

AboveAlpha

 

I'm glad you actually took the time to read it.

Of course it confirms climate change, no one has ever said climate isn't changing.

Who said it refutes global warming, certainly not me?

I hope you like the part which mentions that the MWP is further confirmed as a global event?

 

Consider yourself duly labelled as an alarmist.

Anyone who shrieks about sinking islands can be nothing else.

 

Doubtful, they'll be too busy worrying about the next global scare.

Where would the world be if no one panicked each time Nature sneezed?

 

LOL!!!

I am not shrieking about SINKING ISLANDS as you so unscientifically put it....but AMERICAN CITIZENS living on Flooding Islands that are Territories of the United States certainly are.

I have to hand it to you.

Rarely have I run into a member who can state so many things that I have so easily provided links to sources that COMPLETELY DISPROVE AND SHOW that members posted statements to be categorically wrong and so uninformed as to be laughable......and still that member just goes on posting additional nonsense that also has either already been proven fantasy or can also be completely refutiated.

LOL!!!

What is the name of this little personal world you live in?

Wait!! I know....FANTASY ISLAND!!!

Oh...by the way...Tatoo called and said for you to bring home a WATER PUMP as the ocean is in your living room!! LOL!!!

AboveAlpha

 

The military is run by civilian leaders such as Obama. It only makes sense that they are reflecting government wishes.

 

Very few doubt we have some impact on the climate but the debate is how much and fewer are buying into the CAGW scenario, especially since it has become political and did not predict the hiatus in warming.

Graph from IPCC AR5



http://judithcurry.com/2014/01/06/ipcc-ar5-weakens-the-case-for-agw/#more-14295

Notice your cartoonist has the temps even higher than the IPCC.

Even the IPCC has had to back off on predictions. Lowering of the trend relative to the results from the raw CMIP5 model simulations was done based on expert judgment that some models are too sensitive to anthropogenic forcing.

As I have said before, there is nothing wrong with continued improvement in the models and the current miss is only proof that they are not, in fact, something to rely on for government policy. They should be used for science purposes only and to test against reality and themselves. As complicated and with as much unknown and the current incapability to model everything is similar to trying to predict the weather a few weeks out. That is the kind of accuracy we are talking about.

 

Actually these plans specific to a U.S.Naval Cold Weather Carrier Group were first prepared under the Bush Administration.

AboveAlpha

 

Are you a scientist?
I'm not, therefore I'm entitled to use unscientific language.

I'm waiting for you to name one of these "Flooding Islands" that need capital letters?

Thanks, but I don't want whatever it is you're handing out.

What's your real name, Sarah Palin?

Yeah, LOL, I live 500 m AMSL.

 

You know damn well on the other Global Warming specific topic I posted practically a PAGE worth of Island names and links.

The Islands of American Samoa, The Marshal Islands...etc...etc...etc.

AboveAlpha

 

But HERE since you like to be embarrassed....

My previous post.

LONDON – Pacific islanders challenged world leaders this week to act on climate change, warning that their low-lying atolls are close to becoming uninhabitable because of rising seas and increasingly severe floods, droughts and storm surges.

“The Pacific is fighting for its survival. Climate change has already arrived,” said Christopher Loeak, president of the Marshall Islands, which host the Pacific islands’ annual summit, attended by most of the world’s largest emitters of greenhouse gases, including the United States, China and the European Union.

The Marshall Islands, a group of 29 atolls and coral islands standing on average only two meters above sea level, and lying halfway between Australia and Hawaii, is particularly vulnerable to climate change. Earlier this year the president declared a state of emergency following a simultaneous drought and some of the worst floods ever experienced. A freak tide nearly destroyed the capital Majuro, breaching its sea walls and flooding the airport runway. The drought left 6,000 people surviving on less than 1 liter of water per day.

Many other small island Pacific “microstates,” including the Solomons, Tuvalu and the Carteret Islands, have all suffered rapid erosion, higher tides, storm surges and inundation of wells with seawater. Earlier this year Kiribati’s president, Anote Tong, predicted his country was likely to become uninhabitable between 30 and 60 years from now because of inundation and contamination of its freshwater supplies. Many of its outer islands are being invaded by the sea and people are flocking to the capital, South Tarawa. The state has plans to buy 2,000 hectares of land in Fiji to grow food for itself and possibly to act as a new island home.

LINK....http://www.japantimes.co.jp/life/201.../#.UtPB-dJDvno

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/life/201.../#.UtPB-dJDvno

LINK...http://www.businessinsider.com/islan...e-2012-10?op=1

Effects of climate change, El Niño and La Niña[edit]

Main article: Climate change in Tuvalu


Funafuti
At its highest, Tuvalu is only 4.6 metres (15 ft) above sea level, and Tuvaluan leaders have been concerned about the effects of rising sea levels for a few years.[175][176] Whether there are measurable changes in the sea level relative to the islands of Tuvalu is a contentious issue.[177][178] There were problems associated with the pre-1993 sea level records from Funafuti which resulted in improvements in the recording technology to provide more reliable data for analysis.[179] The degree of uncertainty as to estimates of sea level change relative to the islands of Tuvalu is reflected in the conclusions made in 2002 from the available data.[179] The 2011 report of the Pacific Climate Change Science Program published by the Australian Government,[180] concludes: "The sea-level rise near Tuvalu measured by satellite altimeters since 1993 is about 5 mm per year."[181]
Observable transformations over the last ten to fifteen years show Tuvaluans that there have been changes to the sea levels. These include sea water bubbling up through the porous coral rock to form pools at high tide and the flooding of low-lying areas including the airport during spring tides and king tides.[107][108][182][109][183][184]
As low-lying islands lacking a surrounding shallow shelf, the communities of Tuvalu are especially susceptible to changes in sea level and undissipated storms.[185][186][187] It is estimated that a sea level rise of 20–40 centimetres (8–16 inches) in the next 100 years could make Tuvalu uninhabitable

LINK....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuvalu

Your IGNORANCE is astounding!!!

AboveAlpha

 

Yep; one can argue why some islands are losing above water line area (such as draining aquifers for various uses) but one cannot reasonably argue that the process isn't occuring. Here's one article that it took me all of one minute to locate:

 

No doubt but that was also the height of the CAGW scare.

 

I don't know what is funnier....the fact that Earthling denies this is happening....or the fact Earthling labeled me an idiot because he say's...There are not Millions of American's living on Hundreds of American Territorial Islands!

LOL!!!

AboveAlpha

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The plans were developed as part of the DOE's Office of Science CDIAC data which was fed into U.S. Military Supercomputing Contingency Plan development.

AboveAlpha

 

The military is still run by civilian leaders so will reflect the civilian government's wishes at the time.

 

NOT when it comes to matters of National Security.

In any such N.S. matter our Military and Intelligence services have the authority by a IKE created Executive Order to supersede any order given to it by the Civilian Government that would place the Population of the United States at risk from any an all possible threats.

AboveAlpha

 

Pure BS, politics strongly affects what the military does. In fact, they don't do anything without approval from the civilian leaders. Where do you think an executive order comes from?

 

Oh really?

Ever heard of a Covert OP?

Ever wonder why we have toilet seats and hammers costing $1000 each in the budget?

There are about 7 Clearance levels above the clearance level of a standing U.S. President.

The last president to hold the Highest Clearance Level was Bush Sr.

Neither Johnson, Kennedy, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Clinton, Bush Jr. or Obama have held this level of clearance and the last president prior to Bush Sr. to hold a top clearance level was IKE.

AboveAlpha

 

Yes, you named lots of islands, not one of which is flooding.

What links to "flooding islands" did you post?

Not one.

Below Alpha

 

Will you give it up already?

You have been proven wrong over and over again CONSISTENTLY.

AboveAlpha

 

Stick to the truth wherever possible, please.

I never said "There are not Millions[sic] of American's living on Hundreds[sic] of American Territorial[sic] Islands[sic]"

What I said, was none of those islands are flooding, and I'm still waiting for you to name one that is.

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You have proven absolutely nothing, nada, zip, zilch, zero, plus you're illiterate.

Below Alpha

 

Although not American territory, Kiribati has already begun evacuation plans. The government expects to evacuate the island in the next 5 to 10 years