Climate change: A cooling consensus

Yeah...it really is a major problem.

Especially in small Coral Reef built up atolls.

Can you believe this guy Earthling?

Never has a member said so many things wrong and called others idiots as much as this one! LOL!!

AboveAlpha

 

Time is on my side.

 

Not in this discussion.

AboveAlpha

 

So, I'm right in saying that not one island that's American territory is flooding?

 

U.S. Marshal Islands.

Climate-related emergencies[edit]
In 2008, extreme waves and high tides caused widespread flooding in the capital city of Majuro and other urban centres, located at 1 metre (3 ft 3 in) above sea level. On Christmas morning in 2008, the government declared a state of emergency.[26] In 2013, heavy waves once again breached the city walls of Majuro.
In 2013, the northern atolls of the Marshall Islands experienced drought. The drought left 6,000 people surviving on less than one litre of water per day. This resulted in the failure to grow food crops and the spread of diseases such as diarrhea, pink eye and influenza. These emergencies resulted in the United States President declaring an emergency in the MI. This declaration activated support from US government agencies, under the Republic’s ‘free association’ status with the United States, which provides humanitarian and other vital support.[27]
Following the 2013 emergencies, the Minister of Foreign Affairs Tony de Brum called for countries to turn the crises into an opportunity for climate leadership. He demanded new commitment and international leadership to stave off further climate disasters from battering his country, and other similarly vulnerable countries. This September, the Marshall Islands will host the 44th Pacific Islands Forum summit. de Brum is proposing a Majuro Declaration for Climate Leadership to galvanize concrete action on climate change.[28]
The Marshall Islands are threatened by the potential effects of storm surges as well as sea level rise.[29] According to the president of Nauru, the Marshall Islands are the nation ranked as the most endangered due to flooding from climate change.[30]

LINK...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Islands

This is just one of many.

Time for you to grow up.

AboveAlpha

 

No idea - I was simply pointing out at least one nation in the Pacific is seeing itself as under extreme threat

 

At least spell Marshall correctly.

Have tha Marshall Islands been evacuated and abandoned?

What does drought have to do with SLR in this particular case?

Is he a climate scientist?

I'm waiting for you to post a citation that an island is flooding, not that it might be at some point in the future.

Below Alpha

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Why bother if it isn't actually flooding?

 

The data they are seeing suggests otherwise. Unlike some governments they are not waiting for the last possible moment to try and get their population situated

 

We can see and measure the changes NOW - so all that is going to happen is that the change will become more noticeable

 

At least one nation
https://www.ehs.unu.edu/file/get/4097

The one that everyone is concerned about is Bangladesh

 

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921818113002191

Pethick and Orford effectively argue that global warming is less than half of the expected sea level rise, and maybe only as small as 10%.

 

Then they are obviously not looking at these data.



"With respect to the article on March 7 by Paul Chapman [Telegraph, Wellington, NZ] on the future of Kiribati, I have to protest and urge all readers to consult the only “hard facts” there are, viz. the tide gauge record of the changes in sea level.

The graph reveals that there, in fact, is no ongoing sea level rise that threatens the habitation of the islands. This is the hard observational fact, which we should all face before starting to talk about future flooding and the need for evacuation.

If the president of Kiribati, Anote Tong, claims that the islands will soon be flooded and that there is an urgent need to buy new land for possible future refugees, it is the president’s own tactical idea in order to raise money from abroad. Let us respect the observational facts and stay away from invented disasters."



Given that sea level rise has been pretty darned constant over the past 100+ years, how many islands have been flooded?

 

Well the president of Kiribati is serious enough that the main programs are not about buying land, but teaching Kiribati citizens how to make themselves the best candidate for immigration to other nations. They are discussing how they will maintain the Kiribati culture once they have dispersed from the islands.

 

Even without sea level changes Bangladesh has been a major concern. back in the early 80's a pie in sky project was put together by the UN, discussing if the money was available, what would be the mega projects the world community could undertake. Building a sea barrier for Bangladesh was the number one choice.

 

"Bangladesh, the largest Delta in the world, has been the poster child of a scary sea level rise story ever since “An Inconvenient Truth”. There is much to be concerned about in Bangladesh, and flooding is most certainly one of the seasonal hardships Bangladesh has to put up with. Sea level rise just happens to be not one of them."

"During flooding the fine muds in the now rapidly decelerating river (the same volume of water now flows over a much wider area and even appears to stand still for some time) are deposited and when the flood waters recede, there is a fine layer of mud left behind. This annual or rather frequent flooding allows a delta to build “up” during floods. 1 mm/year still adds up to 1 meter every 1000 years, which is approximately equivalent to the annual subsidence in the Gulf of Bengal, also known as the Patuakhali Depression."

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/01/03/bangladesh-the-poster-child/

 

Get back to me when you have a clue you what you are talking about. I didn't mention rising ocean levels at all

 

Sorry about that. The last several posts by you and Bowerbird (who you quoted) were about places on the planet that were threatened by rising sea levels.

BTW - I see no need for "attitude".

 

Data means nothing to folk panicking for other folk.

"Much ado about nothing," as a famous playwright once wrote.

 

That was a completely unnecessary comment.

What are you talking about, this whole page is about sea level rise, unless you think Bangladesh is threatened by Big Foot.

 

Gee whole governments are worried about sea level rises but some blogger on the internet, who does not even live there or, I suspect knows where Kiribati is, knows better. Yes, Yes, I know - it is Anthony Watts but that still does not mean the information is correct - WUWT has been caught out on numerous occasions "massaging the data"


So let us see if there are other voices


So it seems sea levels ARE rising - just not around Kiribati or Tuvalu according to WUWT

 

Sea level rise of about 6.7 inches per century over the past 100+ years is pretty much accepted. And I haven't stated otherwise.

The AGW position is that the manmade CO2 emissions and resulting global temperature warming are "unprecedented", thus supporting the prediction that sea level rise is also more rapid than experienced historically. (All of which threatenes to drown the East coast of the US, the Pacific islands, the Maldives, Bangladesh, etc) The latter part of that first sentence is not supported by data - just as the graphs I presented show - and the graph you also showed.

Like global warming, sea level rise is happening. It's just that neither are alarming, unprecendented, nor catastropic.

 

Don't cherry pick - I know that is a favourite tactic of the denialist crowd but it is disingenuous - as is the denialist tactic of straw man building by claiming that there is "alarmism" when we are trying to have a rational discussion about a problem

 

What exactly was "cherry picked"?

 

Your quote on "unprecedented" there is usually more to it - but then who cares about that - it is how big the straw man is in the end

 

Fear mongering is not rational. Your rationalism revolves around fear mongering without proof.