Climate change driving record snows in Alaskan mountains - study

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  1. sawyer

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    BOSTON (Reuters) - Snowfalls atop an Alaskan mountain range have doubled since the start of the industrial age, evidence that climate change can trigger major increases in regional precipitation, according to research published in the journal Scientific Reports on Tuesday."

    "The study by researchers from Dartmouth College, the University of Maine and the University of New Hampshire, shows modern snowfall levels in the Alaska Range at the highest in at least 1,200 years, averaging some 18 feet per year from around 8 feet per year from 1600-1840.

    "We were shocked when we first saw how much snowfall has increased," said Erich Osterberg, an assistant professor of earth sciences at Dartmouth College and principal investigator for the research. "We had to check and double-check our results to make sure of the findings."


    But wait. Don't I remember recent claims that climate change was making it snow less in Alaska? Why yes I do.

    "There was just no snow': climate change puts Iditarod future in doubt"
    Climate change stole the winter from the Arctic this year:
    Sled dog races and ski events were rerouted for the last three years. The local ski resort is considering investing in a snow-making machine to keep the season going. After the start of the Iditarod was moved last year for lack of snow, organisers this year arranged to ship in 11 rail cars of the white stuff."

    The cult will say "it's about snow in the mountains dummy not at lower elevations." Read the above about ski resorts which are kind of in the mountains and then there's this....

    "New snowfall pushes Anchorage past season average"
    A total of 5.1 inches was officially measured at the Anchorage National Weather Service office as of midnight Saturday. That marks a total 51.9 inches of snow for this winter, just a few inches over the seasonal average of 48.2 inches expected for this time of year."

    The ever moving goalpost of the warmer cult on display.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/climate-...-snows-alaskan-mountains-study-100623399.html

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/mar/24/iditarod-climate-change-sled-dogs-winter-alaska

    https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/wea...wfall-pushes-anchorage-toward-season-average/
     
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    Dr Don Easterbrook Exposes Climate Change Hoax with irrefutable facts and graphs !
     
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    New Warning on Climate Change from the UN...
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    UN Issues New Warning on Climate Change

    July 25, 2018 — In a new warning, the U.N.'s World Meteorological Organization said the world is becoming increasingly vulnerable to the impact of climate change. It said this phenomenon is due to many factors and is not occurring at the same rate or degree around the globe.
     
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    What is funny is that the left says this is settled science but its far from that.

    Nobody has any idea what's happening and the alarmists have been wrong so many times already its pointless to even listen to their predictions anymore.

    OK, so the climate is changing, that's about all we know.

    Heck, maybe this is a positive thing for us but at this point its anyone's guess.
     
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    Settled Science said not so long ago cancer could not be cured.
    Settled Science said not so long ago a heart could not be transpanted.
    Settled Science says MANY things proven untrue by later generations.
     
  6. Bluesguy

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    So are we back to global freezing again?
     
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    But it isn't global. It seems to be local. The weather in So.Fla. is the same as it has been for the last 25 years except fewer hurricanes. And it never gets over 100 degrees. Chicago is having a cool summer.
     
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    Settled science is allowed to be completely wrong and correct itself and those who cite that science are allowed to say, "SEE, it changes..." So they're ALWAYS correct. Climate changes...BOOOM...doesn't matter what happens because no matter what the change is, they can always say..."LOOK, I was right."

    Its why Global Warming was changed to Climate Change. To remove all accountability.
     
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    I don't suppose that it ever occurred to the faithful that the increased snowfall also effects local temp and albino effecting perhaps more than just regional observations. Over time, will the short summers ever be able to melt down the added snowfall, and isn't this exactly how onset glaciation occurs?
     
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    Give it a day or two, and itll change again.
     
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    Global freezing would be far worse than global warming
     
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    Absolutely.
     
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    For the vast majority of Earth's existence it's been much hotter than it is now.
     
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    The name was never changed. You are talking about two different things. How can someone have such a strong opinion without knowing the most basic thing about a subject?

    And the people like you think that they know more than experts... It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

    As for science, climatologist still use more data than you do for backing their claims. That's the beauty of science, it will correct itself and isn't stuck with preconceived notion and bias. How that can be misconstrued as something negative... I don't undertand.

    As for the research linked in the OP.

    "The study by researchers from Dartmouth College, the University of Maine and the University of New Hampshire, shows modern snowfall levels in the Alaska Range at the highest in at least 1,200 years, averaging some 18 feet per year from around 8 feet per year from 1600-1840."

    If you can't differentiate long term from short term, what's the point?
     
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    We are seeing record high temperatures all over the world,if that's local I'll eat my hat.We just saw a 4 mile long chunk of iceberg break off the Greenland glacier.Ocean levels are rising due to melting poles.
     
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    What temperature is the Earth supposed to be?
     
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    Everyone is so "dug in" when it comes to this topic.

    Why can't we just agree on:

    - Climate Change is real

    - Human waste is bad for the environment

    - We should do our best to curb waste and build clean energy

    - Plans need to be put in place for future changes in society brought on by possible climate change

    Who cares who's fault it is? We are not going to stop using fossil fuels immediately, that is a pipe dream and to even suggest that is to suggest killing hundreds of thousands if not millions of people.

    We have been fighting each other on this for so long and wasting so much money that could have been spent on better ideas.

    Why don't we start incentivising people to create ways out of the mess we are in?

    Instead of whining and complaining, I want to see people get active and look to actually SOLVE the issues we are looking.

    This guy is a prime example:

    https://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/w...lean-ocean-plastic-hes-back-and-its-happening
     
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    It's 2018 and you're still asking a stupid question that was already answered in 2009.

    "Climate-change deniers love posing this question, because it makes those who try to answer it sound sentimental and unscientific. There is no "supposed to be" in nature. It is what it is.

    But the question also misses the point: The alarming thing about global warming is not how high the average temperature will be, but how fast it's rising

    When the temperature shifts this rapidly, living things may not be able to keep up. For instance, many insects, birds, and mammals time their breeding and migration based on temperature, while the many species of plants that they eat time their growth according to the sunlight. When this synchronicity gets thrown off, animals arrive on the scene before their meal is ready, the plants don't get their seeds propagated, and species start going extinct. Whether we like to admit it or not, humans are part of this ecosystem."

    https://www.csmonitor.com/Environme.../what-temperature-is-the-earth-supposed-to-be


    "Climate scientists say that it's not so much the exact global average surface temperature in 2100 that makes the most difference for whether certain species will survive global warming or if Miami will be inundated by rising seas. Instead, the rate of change is what is so important.

    The faster that climate changes, the more significant the impacts will be. Just this week, for example, a study was published showing that due to the melting of the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets, sea level rise is now accelerating, making adapting to new water levels far more difficult.

    "Human civilization developed during a period of remarkable climate stability," said Kate Marvel, a climate scientist at NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York.

    "We're (mostly) equipped to handle the natural variations around this stable baseline, but society just wasn't built to handle rapid climate changes (look at all those coastal cities)," she said in an email."

    https://mashable.com/2018/02/14/what-is-earths-ideal-temperature/#lMYWB2I4piqX
     
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    Not to mention less food due to shorter growing season
     
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    So no snow? Climate change! More snow? Again climate change! I'd like to take that paradigm to vegas and become a millionaire. I win regardless of the hand at blackjack or on the roulette table!

    This is like the old "heads I win, tales you lose" deal. Climate change folks always win.

    Yes, there looks to be something wrong with the picture. But those that believe it, well, PT Barnum told us about these people, and how they number. ha ha ha

    Another saw, "if it looks too good to be true, it probably is!" ha ha

    These old saws are of new value when it comes to the true believers. Helps to sort the pearls from the dung.
     
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    Its a game liberals call Heads we win, tails you lose
     
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    There's a reason it's not called the Law of Global Warming ... but that slips right past your little bs rant.
     

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