Climate deniers don't deny climate change any more

When a lie is big enough, and is repeated often enough, people will believe it because they can't credit that someone would be so dishonest.

 

That’s the MO of the fossil fuel shills.

 

Boy what a blast from the past. She's still entertaining! She's got an appearance scheduled in Oct. coming up. She had a big battle w/ an aneurysm in 2015. She was born in November 7, 1943 so she's older than me even.

 

BWAHAHHHAHAAAAA!!

I've already explained to you why the fossil fuel companies are fully on board with the CO2 climate narrative: because demand for fossil fuels is so inelastic, political action to reduce the supply greatly increases their profits. It's like having a cartel, but government is doing it, and it is perfectly legal.

 

Nothing but unsupported propaganda.

 

OK, so we can add economics to the list of subjects of which you are ignorant.

 

Fossil fuel companies are actively investing in Climate Denial propaganda, shills, and other deep-pocketed government coercion at all levels.

 

That's another falsehood.

 

Evidence? Of course not. When a fossil fuel company makes a donation to a university or foundation, and the university or foundation grants research funding to an honest, competent, and reputable scientist to examine the dubious assumptions underlying the CO2 climate narrative, that is not "fossil fuel companies actively investing in Climate Denial propaganda." It's honest people supporting credible science.

Clear?

The government coercion is all on the side of the CO2 climate narrative.

 

NO, NO and No-No…

 

NO, NO and No-No

 

The Sierra Club is still trying to save whales. But guess who is spending massive amounts of money on supposed efforts to save whales - the Fossil Fuel Industry. Read more…

https://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/2...-fossil-fuel-shills-plot-against-green-energy

We're here to save the whales!" called out a man in a black polo shirt. "If you were a fossil fuel project, you would have been shut down long ago."

That apparent conservation activist was, in fact, an infamous climate change disinformation artist: Marc Morano, who's done more than perhaps any other person to manufacture doubt about global warming.
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Morano works at the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow, part of a sprawling climate-denial machine assembled with funding from fossil fuel interests like ExxonMobil and the Charles Koch Foundation and dark-money groups like DonorsTrust.

 

You'll need to explain that.

 

Generating wind power by killing whales . . . .

The Offshore Wind Energy Scandal Is Even Worse Than You Think
Robert Bryce
These 11 charts show how America’s biggest NGOs are colluding with foreign corporations that want to industrialize our oceans with thousands of turbines that will hurt whales and ratepayers . . .

Two of Europe’s biggest energy companies are abandoning the SS Offshore Wind.

In May, Shell, the UK-based oil and gas giant (2023 revenue: $317 billion), announced that it was cutting staff from its offshore wind business because, according to Bloomberg, the company has decided to focus on markets that “deliver the most value for our investors and customers.” Bloomberg also reported that the staff cuts were made after the departures of top executives in the company’s offshore wind and renewable power businesses.

Last month, Murray Auchincloss, the CEO of oil and gas giant BP, imposed a “hiring freeze and paused new offshore wind projects.” According to Reuters, the new CEO is putting more “emphasis on oil and gas amid investor discontent over its energy transition strategy” and that BP (2023 revenue: $208 billion) was cutting investments in “big budget, low-carbon projects, particularly in offshore wind, that are not expected to generate cash for years.”

The moves by BP and Shell are only the latest examples of the troubles facing the offshore wind sector, which has been foundering on the shoals of higher interest rates, citizen opposition, and ballooning costs. Over the past year, numerous projects on the Eastern Seaboard, including Skipjack Wind in Maryland, Park City Wind in Connecticut, and South Coast Wind in Massachusetts, have been canceled due to bad economics. In all, according to data compiled by Ed O’Donnell, a nuclear engineer and a principal at New Jersey-based Whitestrand Consulting, about 14,700 megawatts of offshore wind capacity has been canceled. For comparison, about 15,500 megawatts of capacity is now in development, under construction, or operational.

Of course, those figures don’t jibe with the tsunami of hype about offshore wind energy that has appeared in major media outlets. But the hard reality is that America’s offshore wind sector is a subsidy-dependent industry that is dominated by foreign companies who are in bed with some of America’s biggest climate NGOs, including the NRDC (gross receipts: $555 million) and Sierra Club (Gross receipts: $184 million).

Those NGOs and others, including the National Wildlife Federation (gross receipts: $142 million) and Conservation Law Foundation (gross receipts: $17.5 million), are leading the most shameful environmental betrayal in modern American history. Rather than seek to protect marine mammals and stop the industrialization of our oceans, they are eagerly promoting the installation of hundreds of offshore wind platforms smack in the middle of the known habitat of the critically endangered North Atlantic Right Whale. . . .

 

And you call me a denier...?

 

https://www.bing.com/images/search?...lPTAa72wHaE-&iss=VSI&simid=608049906908867663

 

Which QUACK source is this?

 

Do you dispute the data?

 

I try not to corrupt my mind with WUWT Low Fact references. But let me know if their rating goes up.

 

The Lame is strong in this one.

 

Your prejudice is your prison.

 

I’m not sure what is worse - posting a link from a Low Fact or Quackery website or never backing any statement with a link like AFM.

 

Sorry, but the worst is your habit of dodging substance and then name-calling.

 

Our fine Scientists at MIT do a great job explaining the “ridiculous” aspect of the Deniers on this forum.

https://climate.mit.edu/ask-mit/todays-climate-change-similar-natural-warming-between-ice-ages

Is today's climate change similar to the natural warming between ice ages?

The cause of today’s climate change is also different from the planetary forces that set off the breaks between ice ages. In past cycles, changes to the Earth’s rotation kicked off warming by increasing the sunlight reaching icy parts of the Earth. As ice melted, the Earth became less reflective, and retained more of the sun’s heat. That warming led carbon dioxide to move from the ocean into the atmosphere, promptingmore warming.

But today, the cause is reversed: by burning fossil fuels, we have put large amounts of CO2into the atmosphere very quickly, and that has spurred warming.