Climate extremes raise questions, concerns about faster warming

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  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    An assortment of climate scientists, meteorologists and others are expressing alarm at recent changes in key climate indicators. The big picture: Global surface air and ocean temperatures have spiked sharply in recent months, along with record low Antarctic sea ice, extreme heat events around the world, as Canada's heat and wildfire crisis grips North America.
    • Along with other developments, the combination of those factors have raised alarms regarding whether climate change is accelerating
    Driving the news: In Twitter threads and via other social media platforms, climate experts have been noting the state of affairs with at least some nervousness. Right now, global sea and air temperatures are at record highs for this time of year, and climbing.

    • The unusual warmth in the North Atlantic Ocean is particularly eye-catching, and it raises fears of a more active hurricane season than what is typically expected in a year with an El Niño present.
    • El Niño tends to reduce the number of Atlantic tropical storms and hurricanes.
    • In a viral tweet over the weekend, meteorologist Brian McNoldy of the University of Miami called global air and ocean temperature trends "bonkers," stating: "People who look at this stuff routinely can't believe their eyes. Something very weird is happening."
    • The warmer than usual Atlantic waters are already having dangerous impacts, including contributing to Puerto Rico's worst heat wave on record.
    Of note: Global extreme heat events have smashed records during the spring and so far during meteorological summer, which commenced on June 1.
    https://www.axios.com/2023/06/13/climate-extremes-warming-charts-concerns

    They say records are meant to be broken. In this context it's not something to be admired. It's something to be feared. For younger generations who will see the more severe consequences of global warming than old codgers like me, for coastal populations who will be displaced, for those who lose homes to wildfires, to the world's population to one degree or another.......no pun intended.
     
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    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Were any fossil fuels used in the making of whatever device you are making this thread from?
    Are you driving an electric or a hybrid?
    If you don't have an electric or a hybrid, are you at least carpooling with people to try and conserve that way?
    Do you buy drinks in plastic bottles?
    Are you composting your own waste?
    Have you written to John Kerry to stop asking him to fly his private jet everywhere. He has the carbon footprint of about 50,000 average citizens.
    Are you doing anything for the sake of the environment other than preaching about it?
     
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    If the is true, then all of the misery, expense, sacrifices, taxes, etc that we endured were for nothing.
     
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    Time to buckle up folks. This ride is going to get quite bumpy.
     
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    Oh please. You know what is being discussed here, stop pretending.
     
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  6. Lee Atwater

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    I see this a lot. Anyone who points out the threat climate changes poses must go before the carbon footprint purity police. It's just another form of deflection by deniers and protectors of deniers in Congress who continue to try to block measures to address the threat. FYI, I drive an electric car, drink tap water I put through a filtered pitcher in the frig, recycle paper-plastic-cans, have not written to Kerry. All of which are immaterial to the facts of the article.
     
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    Good, its nice to know at least one lib practices what they preach. You know what you usually see everyone holding at those climate change protests? Plastic bottles of poland springs, many of which end up on the ground after wards. I'm glad to hear you aren't one of them.
     
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    I love that people are becoming more aware of huge ice sheets calving off icebergs capable of sinking a ship the size of the Titanic. Greta Thunberg may have been right all along.
     
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    I drive an electric car, drink tap water I put through a filtered pitcher in the frig, recycle paper-plastic-cans, have not written to Kerry. All of which are immaterial to the facts of the article.
     
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    What specific misery, expense, sacrifices, taxes have you endured due to climate change?
     
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    The world was supposed to have already ended by now.
     
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    Cars are way more expensive. It costs more to put freon in my A/C. For starters.
     
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    How specifically does climate change factor in higher priced cars and freon?
     
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    Because of global warming laws passed by the government, making cars more expensive and prohibiting R-12 and only allowing the use of R-134. R-134 is 10x the price of R-12.
     
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    So your stance is that cars are more expensive because freon?
     
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    Obviously that isn't what I said in those two posts. But, as usual, you can't break my argument, so you resort to reindeer games.
     
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    I asked you "how specifically does climate change factor in higher priced cars and freon?" And your reply was freon. So don't get upset with me that you can't defend your claim. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
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    what in the world are you talking about?
     
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    Raising livestock for food produces more greenhouse gases than cars. Are you willing to do "meatless Mondays"?
     
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    My reply was more regulations make cars and freon more expensive.
     
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    Which specific climate change regulations have made cars more expensive and how much in dollars do those regulations account for?
     
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    And Biden put them back in place.

    You asked. I answered
     
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