Clinton's 'Stupid Girl Privilege'

I haven't been here that long, and it is not an issue I would be inclined to debate. If she committed murder she should have been prosecuted and if convicted jailed or executed depending on the details of the crime. I suspect that most people, right or left, would agree with that - leftists might oppose the death penalty. Or not.

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Which is, of course, irrelevant, as Think Progress pointed out.

 

Yeah....its ok whatever you do AS LONG AS YOU FLIPPITY FLOP. LOL

 

Surely you have noticed that Trump is not hurt when he changes his mind on some issues.
Voters know that Trump is not a politician, so he is not judged like a politician.

 

I'm not even sure he's human. LOL

 

I can understand why Clinton supporters might now suspect that Trump is a Marvel super hero.

 

Or the antichrist

 

Nah, if Trump was really the antichrist you would have been on his team from the start.

 

Well that sounds like someone who wasn't listening! Comey listed all the ways Hillary lied and was negligent, then said he wasn't going to do anything about it. White privilege I guess.

All the shootings are just a way to make you look another direction. The senate hearing was an eye-opener. Anyone with a brain and an understanding of what makes this country great better pay attention before you throw it all away on a partisan fan club.

 

Clinton, and her DC ilk are beyond the reach of the law.

“And what of the finding that the investigation did not disclose “clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information”? Even the felony statute requires no such evidence, and no such intent.”

“Mr. Comey didn’t explain why, with evidence clearly fulfilling the requirements of the two statutes involved, no reasonable prosecutor would bring a case—except for the director’s inaccurate assertion that it had never been done before.” Clinton Makes the FBI’s Least-Wanted List, By MICHAEL B. MUKASEY, July 5, 2016 7:20 p.m. ET

http://www.wsj.com/articles/clinton-makes-the-fbis-least-wanted-list-1467760857

 

None dare call it bribery.

“Bribery
The offering, giving, receiving, or soliciting of something of value for the purpose of influencing the action of an official in the discharge of his or her public or legal duties.The expectation of a particular voluntary action in return is what makes the difference between a bribe and a private demonstration of goodwill. To offer or provide payment in order to persuade someone with a responsibility to betray that responsibility is known as seeking Undue Influence over that person's actions.When someone with power seeks payment in exchange for certain actions, that person is said to be peddling influence.Regardless of who initiates the deal, either party to an act of bribery can be found guilty of the crime independently of the other.” http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Bribery

 

Imo we need to ascertain the LEGAL differenence between carelessness and negligence

Comey was clear that clinton was extremely careless, but never extended that to legal negligence.
So then the question becomes: what is legal neglignce?

So ACTUAL HARM... Not just potential harm needs to be established to prove a charge of negligence

You cannot prove negligent homecide if no one died
Obviously, we are always offended when we see extreme carelessness
And we would like to see a corrective remedy
But, Can anyone show an illustrative case of prosecuted legal negligence with no harm?


So then the queston at hand is the demonstrated harm from clintons carelessness

Comey testified there was no evidence that her server actually had been hacked
So it is unclear how the fbi would bring a case of actual harm

 

Yet, you point out that harm only needs to be shown within the scope of liability.

a showing that the harm is within the scope of liability......snip~

He testified that he doesn't know.....he can't say yes or no about her server being hacked. Those foreign governments that are our adversaries are so good. They don't even leave a trace. But now do security experts the Military, and the IC think her private server and devices were hacked?


How Government Security Clearances Are Granted......


REHM
Good to see you all. Michael Greenberger, I know there are three types of security clearance: confidential, secret, top secret. Tell us what they mean.


GREENBERGER
Well, they're gradations of the access that an employee has, and confidential is the lowest level. And everything is based on what the danger is to the country of releasing classified information. And somebody who has confidential is seeing so little relative to everybody else that there is -- only would be denied if there is a reasonable expectation it would cause danger.


GREENBERGER
Secret is causing danger to the United States if you release classified information, and top secret is that you would create a grave danger to the United States if the information was mishandled. And, obviously, to the extent the dangers go up, theoretically, the investigations become more exacting.

REHM
So there are nearly 5 million federal employees and contractors holding security clearances. Of those, 2.75 federal employees, 582,000 contractors hold confidential or secret clearances, and of those, 791,000 federal employees, 483,000 contractors hold top secret clearance.....snip~

http://thedianerehmshow.org/shows/20...es-are-granted

Hows that scope of liability and about harm looking?

 

Clearly there was intention. The Feds set her up with a secure server and she INTENDED not to use it.
The feds have clear guidelines on security and she INTENDED to ignore it.
When you listen to Comey before the Senate hearing, he did not hide the fact that she knew, was advised, and proceeded to ignore. His words make her out to be a bad actor and guilty as possible.

Then he lets her off the hook.
I want to know WHY!

White privilege? Where's the left on this abuse of justice? They get all in a twist on questionable cases that are still under investigation; but when a BIG one is served up on a plate, they ignore. (Root of the word, "Ignorance")

 

ARDY, I appreciate that you don't want to jump to conclusions. However, when it comes to confidential information, the government is VERY EXPLICIT about the handling. Just think how much of your personal information is in the hands of the IRS, the Census, the medical community, the City, County, State... What if something as insignificant as your weight, your medical condition or your income and address were bandied about carelessly? What if pictures of the small children in your family with their routes to school were posted? Would you want to spend the rest of your life worried about identity theft or worse?

The lowest clerk to the highest Chief in any government agency - and I mean ANY government agency - understands the concept of protection of information. That Hillary was proven to be negligent means one of two things:

She's an incompetent idiot
or
She's deliberately flouting the law

Either one disqualifies her for any level of public service.

 

No
Negligence does not need to ONLY meet scope of liability
All aspects need to met
Including actual damage
So snowden publicly released secrets... Acual damage
Clinton was careless but no proven damage

 

Not only did Gowdy highlight about intent. Guiliani the former prosecutor also states that extreme carelessness is Gross negligence.

Because he know BO peep and Lynch won't proceed on the case. So it was better to condemn her judgement and behavior. As now more people won't vote for a deviate that can't be trusted.




Rudy Giuliani: Hillary Broke The Law; "Gross Negligence Equals Extreme Carelessness"......

FBI director Comey said that: "Although we did not find clear evidence that Sec. Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless."

Giuliani makes that case that when it comes to laws surrounding handling classified data, intent is irrelevant. "The definition of gross negligence under the law is extreme carelessness," he said. The FBI "clearly found a direct violation of 18 United States code section 793 which does not require intent -- it requires only gross negligence in the handling of anything relating to the national defense."

"It's the first definition that comes up in the law dictionary," he said. "It's the definition the judges give to juries when they charge injuries on gross negligence. Negligence equals carelessness. Gross negligence equals extreme carelessness. So that is a clear absolutely unassailable violation of 18 United States Code, section 793, which is not a minor statute, it carries ten years in prison.".....snip~

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...s_negligence_equals_extreme_carelessness.html

 

Clinton was not proven negligent
She was assessed as careless

My posting addressed the legal difference

Perhaps you want to be clear in what you are saying
That the head of the fbi is either stupid and or corrupt?

 

GREENBERGER
Well, they're gradations of the access that an employee has, and confidential is the lowest level. And everything is based on what the danger is to the country of releasing classified information. And somebody who has confidential is seeing so little relative to everybody else that there is -- only would be denied if there is a reasonable expectation it would cause danger.



GREENBERGER
Secret is causing danger to the United States if you release classified information, and top secret is that you would create a grave danger to the United States if the information was mishandled. And, obviously, to the extent the dangers go up, theoretically, the investigations become more exacting.....snip~

Mishandling classified material that is TS or Secret.....creates a grave danger to the US. That is meeting the scope of liability and there is no getting around it. Its a Harm that isn't there until the TS or Secret classified material is mishandled.

Furthermore not having proper security for her private servers and other devices.....creates another liability of harm to the US and even other individuals.

 

Apparently you are talking about considerations for issuing a security clearance
I am talking about requirments for prosecuting criminal negligence

 

Apparently not.....the Interviewer asked him to explain what 3 types of Security there are and why they are.....they way they are.

After discussing the 3 types of classifications......then they get into the discussion on issuing security clearances.

Which was very apparent with the way they laid out the format.

 

"Careless" ? As in Hillary saying, "I couldn't CARE LESS!"

I hope you don't view that as a defense!

The head of the FBI is frightened.

 

It would seem the GOP is frightened.....lol

 

Remember when Nixon was on the hot seat for spying on Democratic headquarters? He was considered the most corrupt President of all time and was forced to resign.

Compare the two. Hillary makes Nixon look like a boy scout.

She's not even president yet; but contrary to demanding her resignation, there are people like you who somehow think this is something to be proud of. You will "lol" yourself through all the diarrhea rolling down your face as you carry her on your shoulders.

I'm just deeply sorry for you. This has nothing to do with politics, it has to do with your country and you can't see it.

 

Nixon broke the law and his co conspirators went to jail. Did you hear about Nixon from some movie? You surely don't know the history accurately. LOL

 

The good old days -- when the FBI wasn't made up of cowardly bureaucrats and citizens knew a crime when they saw one, and called it out even from within their own political ranks.