Coercive Capitalism vs. Voluntary Socialism

Yeah, And instead of addressing the glaring contradiction between his claim-

and HIS own evidence-

just as I had claimed-

to which his only response is to assert-

he will dash off to his next baseless assertion.

 

A capitalist economy doesn't preclude government ownership of assets or participation in markets. A socialist economy does preclude private ownership of the means of production.

 

The Reserve Banks provided for payments of approximately $88.9 billion of their estimated 2012 net income to the U.S. Treasury.

Any questions?

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Dude, capitalism is only an economic concept not a social concept that includes Government.

 

nope; it merely depends on the Social Contract negotiated.

 

What absurdities you go on about. Socialism is an economic system, not merely a social contract. Any economic system could be adopted by social contract. Any type of government could be adopted by social contract. And yet youve convinced yourself that they are all socialism. You dont even comprehend the meanings of the words you use.

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Anything to support your assertion that ANY revenue goes into the treasury?....... I didnt think so.

 

Not at all; capitalism is an economic system. Socialism includes capitalism and Government.

Public sector means of production being revenue centers instead of cost centers is what I am referring to.

 

Lets see ANY published source that defines socialism as including capitalism. You know, to show us its something more than a random thought bouncing around in that head of yours.

 

Really? Who owns it?

 

It is a self-evident truth; even the former Soviets still used money.

 

Use of money is neither evidence of Capitalism nor evidence of the absence of socialism. Got anything relevant to what YOU chose to quote and respond to instead of dashing off to the next topic whenever challenged. Back up your BS for a change.

 

I agree to disagree. Capitalism must use forms of capital while socialism may merely get by with fiat forms of "money".

 

There is no such thing as coercive capitalism or voluntary socialism.

I have something you want it. I say you can pay me for it. You try to get others to force me to share it with you.

 

Capitalism is an economic system, the only one which historically gives citizens other than government leaders an opportunity to acquire wealth. Capitalist countries can have some government production, socialist governments will not allow private enterprise. Socialism is a dismal failure.

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A social contract is only a compact authorizing government to act, and the manner in which it can act. It is not socialist in nature.

 

Socialism requires government control of production and distribution and wealth. Capitalism cannot exist beyond local gardens it a socialist country.

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Using money does not define its economic system.

 

Eminent domain completes that social concept regarding "control of production and distribution of wealth".

The use of money as capital must be a form of capitalism.

 

Bullcrap to both stupid comments.

 

Thank you for resorting to fallacy for your Cause, Mr.Smith. You are welcome to cede the point and the argument you don't have, whenever you want.

 

If I had resorted to fallacy as much in my entire time on this forum from the first time I read your name until now, you would have still posted more fallacy in this one post to which I am responding than I. You have done nothing but post fallacy that many people have carefully and totally refuted, you have special plead without argument, and yet here you are again, repeating the same old drivel.

 

You are welcome to post your good arguments instead of resorting to fallacy.

Eminent domain completes that social concept regarding "control of production and distribution of wealth".

The use of money as capital must be a form of capitalism.

 

OOOOOk but you will need to point out what you disagree with.....if you can.

 

Of course, that is BS. Socialism lets you acquire wealth, that is why people work and acquire goods, etc. And I have yet to see a socialist country without some capitalist infusion.

Is Socialism a failure? Your capitalist system is the greatest debtor nation in the Universe, estimated at $200 Trillion. And where do you get loaned money to float this broke capitalist society of yours? Right! From socialists!!! From Communists!!! If there ever was a failure, it is capitalism. Millions on welfare, homeless, no jobs, no factories, high energy, medical, food costs, etc. as the paper trail of inflation takes it toll. You are sitting on the Capitalist Titanic as it goes down, and trying to preach BS here? LMAO!!!

Those socialists, the European Union has a higher GDP as a % of exports than America as they march right past us. Little Germany's export GDP is 4 times higher than America's!!! Your capitalism sucks!!!



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Well of course. No country can service without some infusion of Capitalism. Which just goes to prove the point that Socialism can't, hasn't, and won't ever work.

Even the Soviet Union under the most horrendous conditions of Stalin, had 1/3rd of all their food, coming from 1/10th of the farms, all of which were privately owned, and privately run, capitalist based farms. No Soviets had no choice but to allow it since, killing off that tiny 1/10th of the private farms, would have lost them 1/3rd of their food supply, which was already at starvation levels.

Capitalism is private ownership of the means of production, and distribution of goods. In that equation, where is the government? It's not in that equation. That's the point of *PRIVATE* ownership.

Our "society" is not broke. Our people have a higher standard of living than most of the world.

Our Government is broke. That's not Capitalism, anymore than running, operating, owning, my own *PRIVATE* business, is somehow 'socialist'.

How is our socialist government broke? The same way that North Korea is broke, and has mass starvation, because the government can't afford food. The same way that the Soviet Union, went broke, and fell apart.

Government is always socialist... by definition. Only the economic system can be "capitalist or socialist". Government is never "private". Thus it can not logically be a Capitalist government. That's an oxymoron.

GDP as a % of exports? Who cares? Yippy skippy. How much is their automobile fuel? How high is their electric bill? How big is their house and car? Can they get a meal at a restaurant for $7?

They pay double for fuel, triple for power, live in itty bitty tiny little homes, pay $30 for a cheap meal, and drive cars that in America would only be used in a three ring circus for clowns to get out of. I know.... I've been there.

Ooooooooo.... but their GDP as a % of exports is....... something completely irrelevant to me, and no one but other idiots care about, who don't know anything about Europe.

The treasury department is full of crap. They have attacked everyone, except the only people to blame..... the US government.

We complained about China, then Russia, and now Germany. Every single time, blaming them for our economic troubles.

In reality the cause of our problems, is bad socialist policies in the US, driving away business.

I find it really Ironic, that you claim socialism is good, when all three of the three people in your own article, are moving away from Socialism and toward Capitalism.

Imports are not to blame. Exports are not to blame. The mythical currency manipulation is not to blame.

It's bad US leftist socialist policies that have caused all of our problems. The solution isn't to attack others, and hope they ruin themselves. The solution is for us to become more competitive in the market, and earn our keep.

 

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Well said. Good luck trying to get a good debate out of them, they will always try to turn the conversation to the Soviet state-capitalist countries and 'human nature' (!). As is we were all psychopaths who want to hurt other people. But I do not feel like a psychopath, y'know? When I see a homeless person on the street I hurt inside. Empathy is what makes us human.

 

Originally Posted by Andelusion :They pay double for fuel, triple for power, live in itty bitty tiny little homes, pay $30 for a cheap meal, and drive cars that in America would only be used in a three ring circus for clowns to get out of. I know.... I've been there.

Ooooooooo.... but their GDP as a % of exports is....... something completely irrelevant to me, and no one but other idiots care about, who don't know anything about Europe.

The treasury department is full of crap. They have attacked everyone, except the only people to blame..... the US government.

We complained about China, then Russia, and now Germany. Every single time, blaming them for our economic troubles.

In reality the cause of our problems, is bad socialist policies in the US, driving away business.

I find it really Ironic, that you claim socialism is good, when all three of the three people in your own article, are moving away from Socialism and toward Capitalism.

Imports are not to blame. Exports are not to blame. The mythical currency manipulation is not to blame.

It's bad US leftist socialist policies that have caused all of our problems. The solution isn't to attack others, and hope they ruin themselves. The solution is for us to become more competitive in the market, and earn our keep.