Colbert: Stop ignoring gun violence (new definition of insanity)

Yes. You folks should probably make gun control the central issue of your 2016 campaign. Cram the words "reasonable" "sensible" and "common sense" into every sentence, as many times as you can. That has worked well for you in the past. And politicize tragedies, view them as "opportunities", it never gets old. And ignore the massive levels of gun violence in our inner cities with the strictest gun laws. Wait for tragedies outside of the inner cities and before the bodies are cold start moralizing on the need for "sensible reasonable common sense" gun control.

Chicago, where libs already have the laws they want in rural Oregon:

YTD
350 shot/killed
1,986 shot/wounded
2,336 shot
398 homicides

In Chicago a person is shot every 2 minutes and 49 seconds.

http://heyjackass.com/

And guess what else they have in Chicago, one of the lowest rates of actual gun violation prosecutions.

So Libs have this all figured out.

That is why at the height of the Iraq surge, it was more dangerous to be a fighting age black male in Philadelphia than an American soldier in Iraq.

 

Who are you going to arm? The teachers? Don't know about you but there were a fair few teachers during my school years who were deadly enough with pieces of chalk when riled

The security guard? Yeah "kevin" on $7 hour is going to be a REAL help

And Columbine DID have security guards - they were just not where the shooting was happening because with rapid fire rifles it happens too fast

 

Correlation does not equal causation

You will not stop the mass shootings until

You have a FEDERAL intervention so that the whole of America has equal restrictions otherwise it is a joke

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Only on dealer sales NOT on private sales

 

Anyone with a CCW license and yes the security guard too. Why do you want people disarmed?

Most guns are rapid fire especially hand guns. So because of Columbine you believe security guards are inept?

 

Please know what the hell you're talking about. I mentioned nothing about purchases through FFL dealers. I mentioned PRIVATE PARTY sales, of which there are no regulations, you don't even have to know the name of the person you are selling the gun to. I've read up to 40% of all gun sales happen this way. NOW do you understand the LOOPHOLE in the law?

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=427170&page=4&p=1065424493#post1065424493

Post #37. I'm not typing it all out again. Pay attention to this part on that post:

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp1006326

 

Thats' entirtely why the Goof was installed on major Network.
He'll gladly tow the MSM party line.The guy was nuthin' but a lark.
A flash in the pan that the gushy effeminate Libs thought was funny because
he,like Stewart attacked and mocked and derided the Right.
But here's a New Flash. You leftie types are now passe.No question about it.
The Election in 2014 was the proof and the ever dwindling of the Networks and
news rags like the L.A.Times and Washington Post and New York Times are more
firsthand proof.
Our Country is at its wits end.They crave honest debate and honesty in
Journalists and candidates.The exact opposite of what Obama and this MSM
have given us.
You can lead a Liberal to water but you can't make him drink Obama policy.
Especially when its incompatible with results and common sense.

 

Have you ever seen the photos from Rawanda when they had a machete war? Gruesome, far more gruesome than any deployment zone soldiers have seen in recent years.

 

Ok but criminals who get guns from T-thug in the alley also are "private" and there's no law that can be enforced to stop that unless caught.p

 

Most wars in Africa are with guns usually non-gun wars or conflicts are isolated areas in the states, or an internal conflict between factions.

 

So,,,,,,

Let me get this straight in America you can walk down a street yelling "Guns! Wanna get me some illegal guns!" and someone will pop out of a back alley and SELL you one!!

Wow!!

 

Yep that's what i s- oh wait you're pulling things out your backside.

 

No rapid fire rilfe was used in Columbine.

Weapons used:

Tec-9 semi-auto handgun 9mm
Savage 12 gauge double barrel shotgun
Hi-Point Carbine 9mm (10 round)
Savage 12 gauge pump shotgun (sawed off)

 

Gun-Free Zones Are Killing Us.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/10/04/gun-owners-of-america-editorials-debates/73344272/

 

Yep just like in Australia you can walk down the street yelling "Marijuana! Wanna get my some illegal marijuana!" and someone will pop out of a back alley and SELL you some!

Wow!

 

You seem to labor under the idea that I'm not.

Still wondering why we allow straw purchases and why communities allow gang culture to flourish.

Doesn't make these mass shootings with legally purchased weapons any more acceptable.

 

Do you really want more gun laws???? Why. The Obama admin. doesn't enforce the ones we have on the books now. Not one person has been tried for falsafing information on appalying for a permit under Obama's watch. Gun laws only affect those that obey the law and I have as yet to hear of one law that would have prevented the last 30 mass shootings other than getting rid of the No Gun Zones.

 

Until you understand the "big picture", you will not understand just how silly it is to use Chicago (or D.C.) as an example of why reasonable gun regulations to not work. The simple answer, previously posted more than once on this board, is that not everyone has those regulations, neither cities, counties or states. What that means is your example of the failure of gun laws to limit shooting is invalid.

They work very hard to limit or stop laws which might limit nutters from arming themselves to the teeth.

As long as the NRA and their members clear the field for the nut cases, I guess it really doesn't matter if any of them were NRA members.

Well, I'm glad to see someone is right on top of this situation. Is your insightful intellect a gift or have you had to work at it? Just wondering.

 

Straw purchases that you speak of are already illegal.

Communities dont "allow" gangs to flourish the gangs do it on there own. *Gasp* they dont care about laws.

 

Yes there is to get your way.

 

Which "Nutter" laws which do not violate the Constitution have they fought hard to stop?

 

How does the private citizen or even a licensed seller know the person they are checking is the person they say they are and not giving a name they know will pass a check?

 

Well, a licensed seller is required to do a background check on the potential buyer. Once the NICS comes back, they know whether the buyer is legally able to purchase the gun. If they are, they sell them a gun. If they aren't then, they don't sell the gun. This part of the law works fairly well, as long as someone isn't slow in getting the NICS back or that data is entered into the data base in a timely fashion.

A private citizen is not required to do that check, so they have no idea who they are selling the gun to, but it doesn't matter. The law does not hold a private citizen accountable for selling the gun. The private citizen seller does not even have to know the name of the person to whom they are selling the gun. No background check is required for the sale. No paperwork is required for the sale, so it is very easy to sell a stolen gun too and there is no accountability for that either. It is only illegal to sell a gun to someone that you suspect of being ineligible to buy a gun. If the seller doesn't ask, and they aren't required to ask., the buyer doesn't have to tell them voluntarily. Therefore, no law is broken. While there is a difference in following the letter of the law and following the spirit of the law, neither is violated in a private sale.

See, if something is illegal, it is against the law and there are consequences for breaking the law, either through fines, jail, or something else. There is NO consequence for a private sale. No one pays a fine or goes to jail for selling a gun to a felon through a private sale, because nothing requires the private seller to even find out if the person buying the gun is a good guy or a bad guy. No one pays a fine or goes to jail for selling a gun through a private sale, even if it is to a convicted felon. There is no law to break… nothing addresses the accountability of the private seller to make sure they are not selling the gun to anyone that isn't supposed to have one. That's where the law fails to do what it is intended to do. This is the loophole. In many states, the same thing applies to gun shows, but not in every state. As long as anyone, including convicted felons, can buy a gun through a private seller with no background check, we will never keep guns from the hands of criminals. I'm not naive enough to believe that criminals won't find a way to get a gun, if they are determined to do so. What bothers me is the law doesn't prohibit it and makes no one accountable for selling a gun to a criminal in a private sale, if they do. If responsible, law-abiding citizens have to pass a background check to purchase a new gun, shouldn't every potential gun owner have to pass one too? Until the law is changed, they don't have to. That's the sensible gun law change that most Americans believe should happen, but it can't get through the legislatures because… lobbyists and scare tactics.

 

Actually, yes, you are exactly right and that is the problem with the law. T-thug selling a gun from his trunk, to Homie on the street is a legal sale according to the law, as long as T-thug doesn't know or suspect that Homie is a felon. That is a private sale and there is no accountability in the law for that sale being illegal. Even if they catch him in the act of selling the gun, unless they can prove he suspected Homie was a felon, it isn't illegal. Of course that assumes that the guns T-thug has for sale aren't registered to someone that reported them stolen. Then T-thug is in trouble.

Now, if the law is changed, T-thug would be held accountable for selling guns without a background check that would validate the buyer was legit.

That is the loophole in the law that needs to be closed.

 

None of which lowered violent crime in Australia - in fact it got worse.

•In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
•Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
•Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=17847

 

But violent crime increased.
•At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
•Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.

Australia greatly reduced the ability of women to defend themselves while turning honest citizens into prey.