Colorado and Maine continue to stand as outliers which will lead to defeat

https://www.zerohedge.com/political...-trump-ballot-disqualification-case-prejudice

So make that 8 States VS 2. Not to mention all of the other district courts. At this point, it might not even reach the SCOTUS. The SCOTUS could just take one of its federal court rulings, issue a nationwide injunction and put it to bed that way. It'd be the easiest and cleanest way to both put it behind us and to rule affirmatively.

This is what happened in Oberefell, after a clear majority was reached by the lower courts, SCOTUS issued a nationwide injunction, applying to the Union as a whole.

Hell, even '2' is overstating it because we have to remember that Maine is the result of an undemocratic process(the irony). A singular individual, not even the Colorado fiasco was that bad. One individual tried to determine the future of Maine LMAO.

So yeah, this debacle will soon come to an end. The shame is that so called resisters to Trump stooped to Trump's level, and for a moment invited a constitutional crisis for their own purposes.

 

Sadly, I don't think most of the American population understands what the U.S. Constitution says about Presidential Elections, or how the Presidential election system actually works in the U.S., or why there is arguably a valid reason for the winner-take-all system for each state (despite that theoretically not being the "fairest").

It has to do with decentralization of power. We know governments can be corrupt, so the U.S. system sought to decentralize that power to the individual states.

What we're seeing now only confirms that.

If there does not exist a winner-take-all system in each state, then what you end up with is corruption, as we can currently see in Maine.

Some people want to eliminate the Electoral College, but just imagine the disputed elections that would end up resulting in. Could easily lead to a constitutional crisis and civil war.

The problem is, if you put states in charge of elections, and 70% of the people in that state really want one candidate, then why do you think those people would be willing to recognize the votes of the other candidate they really don't like?

Maine is unusual in that it does not have the typical "winner take all" system in place like other states, and in the 2016 election cast 3 of its Electoral College votes to Hillary and 1 to Trump.

 

Remember folks.... the tax payers are paying for these silly games...

 

This is true, and they don't even realize it. Or do but don't care. The thing with Trump is that he has ALWAYS pushed the legal boundaries, but never quite overstepped the line. While all these lawsuits to try and keep Trump off the ballot may be "legal" to do, they're pushing the line in tremendous ways. I agree with you that they invited a Constitutional Crisis by going this route. Never in our history has any one part of the Constitution been used in such a vacuum, as if no other part of the Constitution exists.

 

Bribed Joe has obliterated the line with his international bribery operation.



Kennedy, An Actual Liberal, Condemns Efforts To Remove Trump From Ballots

'...as RFK Jr clears his own first ballot hurdle.

 

Yes, in florida alone the taxpayers have paid 19 million dollars to cover the cost of Disney free speech lawsuits against the Govenor.

Look, both sides have gotten silly there is no freedom in telling people how to dress, who to love, how to raise their kids or what people can or can't read or what energy they must use. Both sides have identified too many enemies whose freedom they are not concerned with and are only concerned with their own.

 

Well, FL had legitimate right to end sex ed for K-3. If Dems are going to lie about it and sue to enforce their false claims, FL certainly has every legitimate right to defend themselves.

Back to topic. I'm sensing a pattern

 

Disney has nothing to do with sex ed in K to 3. Disney was punished by the Govenor and legislature for having an opinion he didn't like.
What Maine and Colorado did was wrong, but sides have had their share of election manipulation: In Florida the Govenor has removed people from office who were duly elected and replaced them (mostly Democrats) with Republicans of his choice; in the last presidential election Republicans tried to replace legitimate electors with fake ones. Both sides jerrymander.

 

Fake news. Disney was punished by the Elected State Legislature for lying about the actions of the Elected State Legislature. They played FAFO and they FO.

https://www.npr.org › 2022 › 03 › 08 › 1085130633 › disney-response-florida-bill-dont-say-gay
Disney now says it is opposed to Florida's 'Don't Say Gay' bill - NPR
'Mar 8, 2022On Sunday, before the so-called "Don't Say Gay" bill passed the state Senate, Siemon posted an impassioned video plea calling for Disney to say the legislation is wrong.'

Fake News. They selected Alternative Electors, that would only be seated if that was the choice of Congress.

But Dems do it better. They have outjerrymandered the GOP in the last 3 elections.

 

False!!! You need to RESEARCH more. The Maine Secretary of State did her job. Her job was simply to ascertain if Trump qualifies to be President or doesn't. Just as if she were asked to make a call on whether a 30 year old qualified, or if Obama or Bush qualified. She made a determination based on the letter of the law. That's the START of the process. After that, Trump can appeal her determination in the courts. And SHE explained all this when she issued her determination.

It's simply the beginning of a process. But it's a PROCESS.

You guys on the MAGA aisle need to do better research. Not ATTACK people who are simply doing their job just because they think it might displease the Orange Idol. This (YOUR) attitude is what divides our country. And puts the life of civil servants in danger.

She is receiving threats to herself and her family for the ONLY reason that MAGAs first attack and THEN find out what's really happening.

 

She made a determination based on her opinion of the law and Constitution. Her decision, if it stands, deprives the right of a million or so people to choose the person of their choice to run for president and could affect who gets elected president.. No single person in the US should have that much power.

 

Sorry but Disney was punished by the Govenor and legislature for having an opinion he didn't like....

 

It's not her job to start legal proceedings, that job should go to the Maine District Attorney. So, one has to beg the question: Why didn't the DA take it up, even presuming the Colorado theory? I strongly suspect the DA, well more versed on the law than this hack chose not to pursue the path. That led it being in the hands of the hack.

Which is why this is going to get legally smacked down. But it shouldn't just get smacked down on the matter of the law, the SCOTUS opinion should scold these actors for attempting to take federal law into state hands, as well as election interference.

 

It is precisely the Secretary of State's job to review and rule on any challenges to candidacy.

They are both authorized and required to do so by statute.

Such reviews must be conducted in accordance with statutory procedures, involving evidence, hearings, witnesses, cross-examinations etc. and their rulings can of course be appealed in court.

https://legislature.maine.gov/statutes/21-A/title21-Asec337.html

 

She made a determination based on what the law and the Constitution literally SAYS. It's not up to her to interpret the law. That's up to the courts.

 

However, not all the Constitutional experts agree with that decision (i.e. Colorado 3-2). Since it is not that certain, a single person should not be making that decision that affects millions of people.

 

No. It's her job to asses qualifications when she is asked to do that. That's how the system works in Maine. You are attacking her for doing her job.

Maybe you can move to Maine, run for office, and change the state laws. In the mean time it's HER job to make the initial assessment.

I don't know anything about the DA's role. It's HER job to asses if ANY candidate qualifies for the ballot in the state. If she determines that Biden is not eligible because he's only 30 year old, then it's up to Biden to appeal the decision. But SHE has to make a determination based on the information she HAS. This is a completely NORMAL process.

The OP is worded in the manner that MAGAs word any issue they want to use as a "call to action" to their base. In the form of threats, harassment sometimes VIOLENCE.

Right wingers need to STOP! This tactic of invoking violence, even when it doesn't PRODUCE violence is hurting, not only the victims, but also our SYSTEM. Just follow the process! If the courts decide that Trump is eligible, that is the process. You will hear NO liberal saying ANYTHING that might provoke violence against those who make the determination. We might disagree with them. We might criticize their motives. But NO implicit call to violence will ever be assumed. As opposed to YOUR post. By wording it as if it were a "Deep State Conspiracy", MAGAs know that their violent base would love the opportunity to take it up violently.

There is NO "Deep State", there is NO conspiracy. Everybody is just doing their job in the unprecedented situation in which an Orange IDIOT put our country into.

 

This is just precious, stop doing the moderator's job for them. If anything I said implicated any threat to anyone(here's a hint: That the post is still up, should give you an answer), the moderators would flag this post accordingly. Hell, if you believed it to be such why didn't you report it?

I can't take anything you say seriously after going through that drivel. In any event, we know the CNN legal analyst blasted the SOS, and I highly doubt said analyst is a Trump fan. This novel theory is the democrat's version of the Eastman theory and will fall just the same.

 

I have no idea why the moderators would flag it. It's not against forum rules. It's only against the rules of morality. And you trying to make it an issue about forum rules is just a Red Herring.

You're simply trying to avoid the fact that the narrative that YOU are bringing, by attacking civil servants who are only doing their job, is what has gotten this country in the mess of division it is today. You are contributing to making it worse. And the worst part, is that I don't think you do it on purpose.

If that analyst said anything like what YOU said: i.e. "One individual tried to determine the future of Maine.", putting crosshairs on a public servant for Trumpists to take action, then that analyst is a clown.

Look... you're not getting my point. And I think it's on purpose. You can disagree with her decision. I myself believe that it's better for the country if Trump IS on the ballot. That's not the point. The point is that by framing it as if it were some sort of "Deep State Conspiracy" is the MAGA way of doing things. She just called it a "strike" because she saw a strike. The Maine legislation allows Trump to throw in the Red Flag and have the play reviewed by experts. She hasn't taken anything "upon herself". She just did her job. Period!

So I am asking to please STOP attacking public servants and making them look as if they were part of some "Deep State" only because you disagree with a decision. That's the MAGA way of doing it. And it has to stop before more people get hurt.

 

I spoke factually, this one person in taking the actions they took effectively made the decision for the people of Maine. She didn't even have the decency of taking it to court herself, instead she unilaterally took the decision with the full expectation that the Trump team would take her to court.

Well, what if they didn't? She was prepared to act on that ruling otherwise? She's actually a template for why we should make it a federal election, instead of a shared effort between the feds and the States.

Because if States think they can employ federal law on their own, that's going to be a problem.

 

She took the actions she took because it is her job. She is REQUIRED by STATUTE to review and rule on any challenges to candidates.

The same statute lays out the procedure for doing so - in which both sides get to make their case.

Rulings may be appealed. The statute lays out the appeals process.

It is then - in the event of an appeal - that courts become involved.

https://legislature.maine.gov/statutes/21-A/title21-Asec337.html

 

Her position, in any other state would be that of a district attorney by this broad statute(at the very least, a unique title like 'district attorney of elections'.). The issue with this flawed position, created by the Maine legislature is that the questions before her were federal and constitutional, and not state-bound.

If she had any integrity at all, she would've ruled like the California democrat-led court that the challengers lacked standing, for precisely this reason. This is the least the States have been following federal law, since the civil war. That's why SCOTUS took it up so quickly, and why they're gonna slam it down.

It's just a matter of what the score is gonna be. And ideally it should be 9-0, to show that stunts like this aren't okay.

 

You can take issue with the way it works in Maine, but as it stands, the Secretary of State acted as REQUIRED to act, by law.

Once they have made a ruling, it may be appealed in court - at which time any "flaws" or issues or regarding the ruling will be addressed, with the potential that the ruling will be overturned.

Like it or not, that's how it works in Maine.

 

You did NOT speak factually. And you are not doing it here. She did her job. Period! And then she referred the case to the proper authorities for repeal.

I say again: this MAGA-tough-talk has to stop because people are going to get HURT.

 

If she did her job, she would've turned down the case. Or handed it to the ACTUAL AG to make the determination. Instead, she opted for 15 minutes of fame. And no, no one is going to get hurt criticizing public officials.

Democrats have done a shitty job defending democracy lately, I've gotta say.