Conference Concludes Origin of Life Research Is at a Standstill

Everything doesn't fossilize..

The term 'fossilisation' refers to a variety of often complex processes that enable the preservation of organic remains within the geological record. It frequently includes the following conditions: rapid and permanent burial/entombment - protecting the specimen from environmental or biological disturbance; oxygen deprivation - limiting the extent of decay and also biological activity/scavenging; continued sediment accumulation as opposed to an eroding surface - ensuring the organism remains buried in the long-term; and the absence of excessive heating or compression which might otherwise destroy it.
Fossil evidence is typically preserved within sediments deposited beneath water, partly because the conditions outlined above occur more frequently in these environments, and also because the majority of the Earth's surface is covered by water (70%+). Even fossils derived from land, including dinosaur bones and organisms preserved within amber (fossilised tree resin) were ultimately preserved in sediments deposited beneath water i.e. in wetlands, lakes, rivers, estuaries or swept out to sea.
Fossilisation can also occur on land, albeit to a far lesser extent, and includes (for example) specimens that have undergone mummification in the sterile atmosphere of a cave or desert. However in reality these examples are only a delay to decomposition rather than a lasting mode of fossilisation and specimens require permanent storage in a climate controlled environment in order to limit its affects.

Prior to the Cambrian, organisms with hard parts (eg. shells and bones) weren't present for most the time, and it's generally such hard parts that get to fossilize. There's also been more time for Precambrian deposits to get destroyed by natural processes,

 

All of this can be explained by a Great Flood. Rapid depositing, and burial by sediment, immediate pressures from sediment and deep water.

 

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=scientists-close-to-recon

 

1. So, are you saying that dinosaurs lived among man? Did Jesus ride one?
2. Where did the water come from that is required to cover every mountain on the planet, including Everest? Did it magically appear and then disappear? How did rainfall result in mountain-covering levels in such only 40 days?
3. How did Noah collect all the animals on Earth in such a short time, without modern transportation? How did they fit onto the Ark? How did they store all the food required for these animals? After the flood, did all of the animals just teleport back to their natural habitats? What happened with the fish?
4. How was the largest wooden ship in history built by only eight people?

 

All of your questions are answered here: Genesis 6-8

 

Can you explain how that simple sentence explains any of my questions?

 

All of your answers are explained in Genesis 6 - 8.

 

No, they are not. How is my question about dinosaurs walking among men explained by "But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD."? How does it explain what happened to the fish? How does it explain the nonexistant amount of water required to cover Mt. Everest? It doesn't.

 

Just once read the references if you wish to have an honest discussion. If not go away.

 

Thank you. Your above reasoning is supposition. There is nothing scientific about it. You have no evidence to support you conclusion so you are engaging in supposition. There is nothing wrong with that some times supposition is all we have available to us. Just dont call it science. Its an educated guess.

 

Are you kidding me? I just QUOTED the verse that you told me explained my questions. It does not. Why even try to engage in scientific talks when you clearly don't understand the topics and eventually resort to quoting the Bible when you can't discuss the merits? Referring to the Bible to explain the Bible, especially a verse which doesn't mention anything but God's unequal favoring of certain people, won't fly for me or any other logical person.

 

Genesis CHAPTERS 6 through 8, not Genesis 6:8

 

Okay, well I apologize for that, then. However, I have read Genesis and none of the questions I just raised are answered. Please point to me where in Genesis dinosaurs are mentioned, the explanation of how 8 people built the largest wooden boat in history, the explanation of how a pair of every animal on Earth was brought to the boat, how these animals and their food for a year fit in a roughly 450 foot long boat carried all of this, what happened to the fish on the planet, and where all this water came from.

 

Do you not have a bigger vocabulary to describe things? Enough with the supposition crap. Evolution has been a scientific theory that is backed by evidence for over 150 years now, some poster on the internet isn't going to change that by describing it as "supposition".

 

DUH? Typical liberal, "Do it for me.".

The ark was built in 100 years (as it says in the verses I gave you). The animals were brought to Noah, he didn't go get them (as in the verses I referenced). The animals very likely were juveniles (that wasn't hard to guess), the dimensions of the Ark is equal to over 650 railroad cars (also in the verses), the average full grown animal on Earth is the size of a sheep, and only two of each KIND were aboard the Ark (as stated in Genesis).

Man, you liberals have difficulty thinking beyond what you are brainwashed by the schools and universities.

 

Oh and "scientists" know that if ALL mountains were laid flat and the canyons in the seas were raised up, the water on the Earth would be one mile deep.

P.S. Fish live in the water.

 

I actually didn't know that it took 100 years for them to build the boat, which raises an even further question of how Noah survived to be 600 years old, but I digress. I find it strange how land animals migrated to one point on Earth considering the layout of the planet, don't you? Also, I'm curious to know what you think a "kind" is, as described in the Bible.

Yeah, that's a pretty big if, buddy.

P.S. Not all fish live in the same type of water.

 

Per the Bible, the Earth was covered with a mist after Creation, this blanket of mist, watered the plants, the Earth was a tropical paradise. This covering blocked all harmful UV rays which we know today is the cause for aging and many diseases, including cancer.

It never rained before the 40 days of rain, and the waters of the deep flooding the Earth causing the Great Flood. The first rainbow was recorded in Genesis as a promise from GOD after the waters began to recede.

One of the evidences of a Young Earth is the lack of high salt levels in the oceans consistent with "millions of years".

 

Supposition is the correct word. I'm sorry that it offends you. Perhaps if you weren't such a sophist on the subject it would make more sense to you. Its not my fault that you approach this as religion. Evolution is a catch all term which includes many working theories. Original Darwinism is long since dead many if not most aspects of the original theory have been replaced by other theories. Some aspects are supported by evidence some aspects are not. Punctuated equilibrium which is crucial to the current working evolutionarily theory isn't supported by any evidence. It is a conclusion drawn on the absence of evidence. Its a good guess but there is nothing scientific about it. Its just a guess.

No one in this thread is arguing about adaptation. What this thread is about is the ability of the current theory to explain those big changes. Like how did we suddenly get life? How does one being become another? Humans may develop lighter skin when living in the north but are still humans. How do we get from adaptation to a totally different creature? The current working theory is punctuated equilibrium which is pure supposition. Or if you would like a more understandable term an educated guess.

 

Yes, I've heard people refer to the canopy theory before but as I understand it, the theory has been abandoned by creationists because it just isn't feasible. The problem lies in the effect the canopy would have on the temperature of the Earth. It would not be a tropical paradise, it would simply be unlivable.

http://home.entouch.net/dmd/canopy.htm

This is a quote from Rush and Vardiman from the ICR.

Also, we have no idea what causes aging, there are several theories, and to say with a definitive tone that the lack of UV rays would slow the aging process is just pure conjecture.

The validity of the application of total salt in the ocean in the determination of age turned out to have a very simple answer in the fact shown by Goldschmidt (1954) that it is in steady state and therefore useless as a means of determining the age of the oceans. [Cook, 1966, p.73]

(Dalrymple, 1984, pp.115-116)

 

Punctuated equilibrium isn't even a universally accepted explanation for the fossil record, so I'm confused as to why you keep bringing it up.

I'm sorry, but punctuated equilibrium is not the current working theory.

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/VIIA1bPunctuated.shtml

 

Duh indeed. There's an unholy amount of supposing going on.

"very likely". Why not mature animals of the millions of kinds necessary?

Which verse mentions 650 railroad cars?

How is the "sheep average" calculated?

Speaking of brainwashing, seven sheep were taken, not two. Ch7 verses 1-5 clearly states that only two of the unclean animal kinds were taken, but seven of the clean kinds. Sheep are "clean"

You don't even understand your own creation myth!

 

Read your (*)(*)(*)(*)ing source. Yes it is. Dr. Gould is probably the most important evolutionary scientist of the last half century. You will deny fact just to win an argument, how pathetic.

 

What conference?

 

No "millions" of kinds. Also, aquatic animals did not need to be on the Ark, certain insects did not, maybe dinosaurs were not welcome (I dunno). Regardless, the account is feasible mathematically and explains most of the geology and archeology we find today.

Did you have 4th grade Math? If so you can then calculate the volume of the Ark yourself and then divide by the average RR boxcar.

P.S. I wasn't going to explain the whole Genesis story to you (clean vs. unclean), you can read it for yourself, and you apparently did.