Conservative voters are good at playing possum

I don't see people talking about the tendency of conservative voters to simply remain muted during campaigns, yet hit the polls hard on election day. Yes, they are conservative in their public exposure, especially given the liberals tendency to lash out publicly at any sign of conservatism they see. This reluctance of many conservatives to publicly reveal their political position is also what contributes to increased inaccuracies in polls. I think many conservative voters love this tactic, and relish that liberals do not see it, and can't possibly hold their emotions to do the same.

 

Conservatives are too busy working and living their lives. Liberals are too busy living in their parents basements and stewing in their own hate.

 

Considering the growing trend of conservatives being physically assaulted for nothing more than differing ideas, there is little wonder why they would maintain a low public profile.

 

See, Conservatives see no point in being vocal about their political opinions because they see no value in virtue signaling and are not fans of "social brownie points". They believe in individual liberty, individual responsibility and individual diversity - You do you, I do me.

 

I do not think it has so much to do with fear at all (although that certainly plays a part in it), but rather is it just natural for Conservatives to keep certain things private. It is part of the ideology's mentality and nature.

Progressivists belive all problems in society are political problems and that the solutions therefore also have to come from politics - a top-down approach where the goal is ro apply an abstract ideology onto everyone. They like to describe and analyse society in abstract terms and believe that all change is good change. This results in gigantic governmental programmrs where everyone is not only welcome, but even obliged to participate, "for the common good".

Since they are collectivists, they seek confirmation and this is why they love to demonstrate and protest in big herds and this is also why they like to tweet their fingers off in search of pats on the back. They think we are all members of the same family where it is good to tell everyone about everything.

Conservatives, on the other hand, are - as I described above - more individualistic and therefore see no need to find a group they can be members of or to tell everyone in the world about their UTI.

 

And yet even though they are more individualistic, they tend to be far more reliable supporters of GOP candidates and make a real effort to get out and vote. They also seem to be much better team players.

The "hive mind" liberals OTOH are always infighting and splitting and often fail to turn out to vote because they disagree with some trivial part of their candidate's platform, ignoring the 99% they agree with.

 

Good points; but another issue is Youth versus Age. Overwhelmingly youth are leftists because of the hive mentality, peer group, easy answers to complex questions thingamabob that they tend to fall into as an ideological and political trap. Overwhelmingly, however, the aged tend to vote for Right of Center issues because they have had a lifetime to THINK and work through cultural and political and ideological issues to reach certain conclusions concerning what is in the best interests for the entire nation.

This cues directly into the next issue, which leftist allied polling companies tend to ignore because the leftist leadership paying them for results want them to ignore it; and that issue is voting attendance. Leftist have to be cajoled to the voting booths unless it is for a presidential election, and this goes doubly for youngish leftists, the college age crowd mostly living off Mom's and Dad's dimes while giving Mom and Dad and their value systems and work ethics the middle finger; and mostly they can't be bothered to set aside social messaging and peer group fluffing in order to stand in line and vote for non-presidential issues. The older folk on the other hand tend to be willing to belly crawl over broken glass in order to vote AND to give the stinking Left a well earned . . . middle . . . finger.

All this makes a huge difference between leftist leaning polling predictions and actual reality.

 

I grew up centre right then moved centre in the 90's right through until 2015 when I started to lean centre right again.

Purely because of the attack on free speech on campuses since then I've become pretty much cemented there.

I have always been pro cannabis which friends have mistook for being a leftie.

 

From my perspective, part of the problem with "the left" is that they tend to come up with really complex, difficult to implement plans whereas "the right" tends to be far more pragmatic and identifies straightforward, actionable, things to address the situation. Part of that IMO is due to the fact that many on "the left" would rather do nothing than something they think is wrong (and hence end up in paralysis by analysis) while those on "the right" would rather do something that might/should work and if it doesn't try something else instead instead of wasting years trying to micro-analyse possible outcomes.

Look at the proposed solutions to people without jobs in the so-called rustbelt. The Democratic Party proposed a plan where people would be encouraged to retrain to skills that were more marketable in the current economy, new economy businesses would be encouraged to set up in the area and people would also be advised that they may need to move to find work - that seems rather complicated to me.

Candidate Trump just promised to get their old jobs back - a much more straightforward approach.

In other words, I think it's the other way around. Conservatives propose straightforward solutions to complex problems and go on to implement them. Liberals tend to over analyse the situation and propose overly complex solutions. Of course that's just my opinion.

 

On this we can agree to disagree. We can see California wallowing in the philosophy of 'easy leftist solutions for complex problems' in that their 'easy solutions' -- each of which was permanently guaranteed to permanently fix a perceived problem -- either made that problem even worse or produced a host of unforeseen negative consequences easily perceived by Right of Center citizens but howled down as 'bigoted, racist, misogynistic, misanthropic' objections by fanatical leftists. The result? California has progressively slid down the leftist crap-hole with every implementation of leftist 'easy' solutions.

Granted, however, my perspective on this is merely my personal opinion as to cause and effect.

 

I dont respond to pollsters and that may be true for other conservatives

Besides the pollsters would rather ask liberals and fence sitters anyway

 

And they know who these are through the mental telepathy rings issued them by the Lizard Men.

Pollsters are generally right, they were wrong in 2016 because they didn't take the Electoral College into the equation, which I can't for the life of me see how they'd do in any case..

Pollsters are generally wrong when they disagree with you and right when they do, both sides are this way, as are people in general but I note it more in conservatives than liberals, that may be just me but I don't think so

And I don't respond to pollsters either. That's because I'm an outlier on most issues and so will be discounted. Here may be one problem with polls, sometimes the outliers are right.

 

When it comes to cannabis, I turn full libertarian. I am pro free cannabis. I believe the benefits of cannabis have been abused and misused for political gain for far too long. It is by far the biggest peeve I have with our current AG. His outdated stance on cannabis is downright embarrassing. He needs to go....... bigly.

 

Yes.... and there seems to be zero outliers who began from the left. They tend to be conservatives who have softened on a few issues (like cannabis) over the years. On another thread, I posted about a huge middle ground now made available for a centrist party in a political sea which has parted like the proverbial Red Sea. Maybe the party should be named the Sensetrist Party.

 

The left primarily looks to social and big media to find trends. Social and big media are censoring the right. So the left only sees the echo chamber, then is surprised when its not reflective of reality.

 

I find it quite interesting how long it is taking for any post to appear on this thread with an opposing view.

 

When somebody calls and says they are from this or that university or this or that poll I tell them that I will grant them 60 seconds and one question. Of course they are contracted to ask 32 questions and are not free to vary the procedure in any way, so they immediately lose.

Originally I did this for the unfairness on their part -- taking up my time and not paying me anything for my time.

But staying out in the cold, whereabouts unknown, viewpoints/opinions ungarnered, is fun too.

 

Polls are a pain in the arse. I answered one a while back and the next thing I know they are calling every day. I don't mind giving up a few minutes every couple of weeks but when you answer one you must be put on a sucker list and they all call.

My note on most polls is they incorrectly lean left by between 6 and 10 points. probably because more lefties will answer them. Usually when you see that a conservative candidate is 8 points down it is an even race.

 

I have reached a point where I no longer watch any news on television, none. The last news, I obtained from this forum actually. I have become a political hermit. I think that's why I joined this forum. I needed an outlet, even though I'm a weak debater.

 

Just because we're not running around smashing windows and rattling a bean in a can while chanting doesn't mean we're not here and fully engaged.

 

I got one for Hillary Clinton. I kept them on the phone by pretending I was hard of hearing and randomly blurting out, loudly, I LOVE HILLARY CLINTON.

The people on the other end were loving it. So was I.

 

You'll get better. I was once told by someone charged with training me 'If you're not Fing up, you're not learning anything.'

 

Kum ba yah, Vman, kum ba yah.

 

I started out liberal, became conservative when I first read Ayn Rand, and then went back to liberal when I recognized her defects and what they covered up.

I've stayed liberal because I think they don't try to make life hard on people, whereas it seems conservatives often seem to think having a hard life is good for us.

 

The fact that many/most? Conservatives are more prudent and while that may appear to equate to "playing possum", the reality is that they recognize that more often than not they are simply wasting time conversing with Liberals with different views which only lead to lengthy argument and unending disagreement.