Contradictions & Bible

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  1. Margot

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    It lays down the conduct of defensive war.

    Read it.. Muhammed also says that if you harm an innocent Christian, Jew or pagan, he will be your enemy at the gates of paradise.
     
  2. Mehmet

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    i know no one is satisfied with the explanations.
    i know i am not.

    then again i don't have to be.
    but every person believing in something should be
    somehow satisfied with the facts of his belief.

    i can't express an opinion about the passages of the bible;
    which ones are from Allah (God) , which ones are man-made.
    it's not allowed in islam. we have been informed that the bible
    was the truth once, and that it has been altered like torah.

    thus, i can only respect your belief.
    but i encourage you to make more research as a fellow human. :)

    i kept myself away from quoting the qur'an in order to make the
    discussing going objectively and not to flame things. but i think it's time,
    to support and make you somehow understand my point of view...


    that's an odd challenge for any book, don't you think?

    "produce one surah" and gather everyone to help you".
    "you won't be able to do it".

    wanna hear something more interesting?
    not one surah like qur'an's has been produced for 1400 years.
    and the challenge is still up.

    thanks for good intentions and replies.
    sorry if i offended anyone.
     
  3. Quantrill

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    There are several places where the creation is spoke of. So what?

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    It doesn't matter if your satisfied or not. Who cares?

    You say your koran has no contridictions. Of course not. It's a mans book, not God's. Such a shallow book, how could it?

    But, when one reads the Word of God, he can expect to have things that he doesn't understand, things he must pursue to know, things that appear as contridiction but are not.

    Offend? How could you offend? You are only typical.

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  5. Mehmet

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    tell me.
    you didn't read my entire post did you? :)
    in fact you haven't read any of my posts in this thread.

    :date:
     
  6. Quantrill

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    I read enough of them, but certainly not all. What you say is not any different than any other muslim or atheist. You bring a list of supposed contridictions in the Bible that you find on the internet.

    Hoping to cast some doubt on the Bible as the Word of God and at the same time trying to elevate muhammeds writings, the koran.

    Your typical as I said. Your not looking for answers from the Bible, from the Word of God. You simply try and discredit the Word of God. If every contridiction was answered to 'your satisfaction', you still wouldn't believe it. You would just look for more.

    I say, don't look any further. You have your contridictions. Be satisfied with them and follow your prophet muhammed and his writings to hell.

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  7. Mehmet

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    no, you haven't.
    go back and read please.
    if you will answer towards my posts.

    and try to be more kind.

    regards.
     
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    If you have something in mind you believe I have missed, say on. As I said, I have read enough of your writings to know your intent.

    I am being more kind.

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  9. Mehmet

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    i have no intention to speak to a wall.

    regards.
     
  10. Margot

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    Some years ago.. I was dressing to have dinner with 60 Arab women in Arabia and I was very anxious to do the right thing and do well.

    I pressed my young interpreter.. "Am I dressed right, what are they like, how should I behave??"

    He looked at me in complete consternation and said... I don't know. I don't know any women outside my sisters, mother and aunts.

    It was a huge break through for me in realizing that if I wanted to connect with the Arabs and understand them... I had to suspend my Western assumptions.
     
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    If you just want to speak to someone who agrees with you, you may as well quit speaking.

    Quantrill
     
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    You suspend a lot of things.

    I myself am not concerned about wanting to 'connect' with Arabs. Nor am I concerned with understanding them. I understand more than I want now. I will declare the Gospel of Jesus Christ to them. I don't need to understand them.

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  13. Mehmet

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    walls can agree with me, just like you do.

    you trying to turn a thread to a muslim-christian flame debate
    only means three things:

    1) you have no/few/biased knowledge of your own scripture
    (194 claims still standing, no answers by your side.
    "you don't need to answer to anyone"... sure)

    2) you have no/few/biased knowledge of islam
    ("9/11 thought you everything you need to know about muslims"... sure)

    3) even debates related to christianity is less important than islam
    (hate overcomes love, refer to the teachings of jesus (pbuh) for that.)

    as a side note;
    arabs are forming ~18% of muslims...

    be well.
     
  14. prospect

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    There has been a few posters here, including myself, that have shown you where the list was incorrect. You have not acknowledged this as per your still claiming "194."

    Why should anyone take the time when you are closing your eyes to the proof ? There shows that you do not want answers ..

    I mean, so much of the OP's cut and paste is a joke ... i.e one more FREEBEE

    (WRONG)


    LOL !!!
     
  15. Quantrill

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    The wall may agree with you. I don't.

    I do refer to the teachings of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ said there is only one way to be right with God, and that was through Him. And Jesus Christ said He is the only begotten Son of God. John 3:16-21

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  16. Mehmet

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    if my religion allowed me to talk about bible verses...
    i would refute those explanations in a minute.

    (i'll give you a hint: grammar)

    so i simply put that they weren't satisfactory,
    for you to understand and elaborate and maybe
    provide proof, not self-justified views.

    my purpose was:

    • to obtain information with proof,
    • understand the christian pov,
    • discuss matters in a civilized manner,
    • discover what i don't know,
    • show you an islamic perspective if necessary.

    i have my answers through a private message.
    a simple but reasonable and sincere approach.
    so for me there is no need to go any further in this thread.

    but the subject is open.
    if someone else wants to come forward;
    i'll be around insaAllah.

    until then; be well...

     
  17. prospect

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    Grammar ? lol No, that is NOT what your list is inferring and NO you will not refute what I have shown as proof.

    It is a fact that the site you cut and pasted from was incorrect and I have proved this with the Bible itself.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/4889926-post39.html

    Until you are willing to refute one simple issue as a sign of good faith, (that you will not close your eyes to the proof) no one will waste their time with you as it is obvious that the first thing on your list

    "
    • *to obtain information with proof,"

      Is not what you are seeking.
     

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