On the other hand, if you get a purely personal revelation, while more coherent, it will be less open to intelligent interpretation and, in the long run, be difficult to fit with the current world. The Muslim scholars have done well so far, but I think they'll have trouble with a society that really changes fast. Certainly, in the UK, there is a deep gap between generations, which a minority (often badly instructed) fill with 'Islamist' activism, most of them, of course, being distant from the regular practice of Islam.
you are interpreting things on your own. at least someone made an attempt to respond to four of them. i read it, it is a good attempt but not adequate and detailed. still it does not address to the main issue. "for God is not the author of confusion but of peace..." (1 corinthians 14:33) indeed, you are right. i also wanted to post all of them at once for archive purposes... i agree. personally, i think muslims will be more mature, with the permission of Allah. it's a good thing that the world is against us nowadays. because we have never encountered something like this before. they will understand islam better, we will understand islam better. roughness unite people and make them act on many issues. we have been procrastinating for centuries anyway... let's take muslims from the spotlight; at least in this thread.
1 Cor. 14:33 was specifically referring to "confusion" within the Corinthian worship service. This seeming contradiction and many others are covered on many, many sites on the internet. Here's another one: Countering Bible Contradictions This is obviously a topic that is very important to you which has drawn you to seek "adequate and detailed" explanations, I suggest using search engines like Google to find more of the links that I just posted to get answers. However, be warned: You are a Muslim so you may be biased.
Many ancient cities were undisturbed by the so called world wide flood.. Neither the Ancient Egyptians nor the Ancient Chinese record such an event. Your reference to the letter to the Corinthians is to the people in the Church at Corinth.. its specific to them.
things might be written for a specific content but here, the message is universal, no? look at the consistency in everything that He created. God also created reason and knowledge. for us to use. have you read there yourself? or are you just linking google searches? often, explanations based on their own opinions. (michael j. bumbulis, maryanna white, russ smith) assuming that the explanation would be "like this", yet no proof. here is what i mean... couple of examples... check the question then check the answer: 58. Man was created after the other animals [Gen 1:25,26,27] Man was created before the other animals [Gen 2:18,19] The first chapter of Genesis is a synopsis of creation. The second is more detailed and focuses on the creation of man (and was unlikely intended to be a separate creation account). The NIV translates Gen 2:19 as follows: "Now that LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man..." Simply put, the Garden could have initially been without animal life, and God simply brought the animals he had already created to Adam. where is the explanation? 1 / 2 66. The father of Salah was Arphaxad [Gen 11:12] The father of Salah was Cainan [Luke 3:35,36] To me, this looks like a legitimate contradiction, although I suppose it is possible that this is the same person known by different names. After all, it is not uncommon for Biblical personages to have more than one name. "to me", this looks like an explanation which is not based on facts... of course i am biased. i love islam and i love Allah. but it doesn't take away my ability to understand/empathise thus be objective as much as i can. in fact that's a responsibility as a muslim. to be fair and just at all times. knowledge flows the same way anywhere you go in the world. facts and linking thesis to knowledge is one thing, and sitting at home drinking tea and elaborating on butterfly effect is another. no one has to convince me, as long as they can convince themselves. you choose to believe in some parts, refute others; based on 2 civilizations recordings you find the truth in denying some parts of the very scripture you base your beliefs on. but then you believe in the teachings of jesus (pbuh), written by "40 gentlemen sitting down and gathering information". they were inspired? not just about noah's arc. i'm not judging. i'm lost.
says a website called the ensign message. "to the british and all the celtic, anglo-saxon peoples of the world"... oooo-kay... anyway, that's exactly what i'm talking about. a website is not a proof provider, unless they base on facts. it's their own opinion. on the other hand, what's noah's arc / flood has to do with our subject? why do you keep bringing this up all over the forum? i think i'm almost done with this thread, unless someone with biblical knowledge comes up....
The point is that neither the Torah or the Bible were ever to be taken literally.. It isn't neccessary to believe fantastic epic myths to believe in God or the message.
then this thread is pointless. but again, that's your opinion. never in those scriptures it has been said: "don't take what's written literally". why those books were sent by God? to guide mankind. to guide mankind. how do you guide someone to an address? with simple and explicit directions. with a good understanding of the map. you don't give them metaphorical contradictions and finally tell them: "well, just come however you understand." so you don't have to believe what's written in the bible. what exactly a christian "must" believe in the bible?
You can't learn the Bible by rote.. Its meant to be considered, studied and prayed over.. Its much deeper than the tall tales.
tall tales that you condescend are a part of it. God is perfect according to christianity, not just to islam. therefore God's book should be perfect. therefore God's prophets should be perfect. therefore God's message should be perfect. everything that comes from him is perfect. his universe that He created is perfect. the world he created is perfect. the system he set is perfect. the human being he developed is prefect. you are telling me that all of a sudden when it comes to his message; it is not perfect? can or cannot be believed? you are unable believe in noah's arc and the flood, but you are able to believe in three gods bundled in one? a man becoming a divine being? the bible's message is not perfect anymore. it has been altered by man. i'll say this with the finest way possible with my limited english: "you don't have to turn off your logic to believe".
You don't have to park your brain at the door to be a good Christian or Jew. These morality tales were written nearly 3,000 years ago. http://www.politicalforum.com/curre...croscopic-fossils-upend-evolution-theory.html
In short, the site you got these claims from was inaccurate to many times to even bother with... For example.. (one that I just picked at random) One verse says.... no bag for the journey or extra shirt or sandals or a staff, for the worker is worth his keep. The other said .... He charged them to take nothing for their journey except a staff—no bread, no bag, no money in their belts— 9 but to wear sandals and not put on two tunics. That is the problem with deceiving,recycled lies that websites take joy in posting without actually looking into it first.
There are a lot of alleged contradictions there, however let me explain something to you, which I will illustrate with numbers 38, and 47 I believe it was. In both instances, whomever created this list, fails to recognize WHO THE PASSAGES WERE BEING GIVEN TOO. Or in other words, who is being spoken too there. Jesus/God never told believers they are not to judge, in the verse number 38 cites, "judge not lest ye be judged" Christ was speaking to a crowd of non believers, NOT the disciples. It's the same thing with number 47. Trust me, I could get the Bible out, and go through and show you where and how these ALLEGED contradictions that supposedly exist. In reality do not exist, and that this bologna that the Bible contradicts itself is well the bunk, obfuscation and lie from Satan that such drivle is. But I am, um, not interested in addressing such a list in it's entirety in the least. That said I recommend that you check out this: http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/bible.htm Since I'm not interested in debunking this myth that there are contradictions in the Bible by using the Bible itself to do so point by point.
You seem to be wanting a rational explanation as to how the perfect word of god can contradict itself on so many occasions and still be considered perfect. The problem is that you are wanting something that doesn't exist. There is no answer for this aside from "faith". It is a horrible circular argument with no real evidence to suggest any sort of divine origin. They just believe. Ask them "why" and they ask you "why not".
It is always very laughably if some Muslims try to bash the Holy Bible, there are not any "contradictions" in the Holy Bible, it is a Lie of Atheists and non-Christians. http://www.christiancourier.com/articles/689-does-the-bible-contain-contradictions
Quite right. They are not looking for the truth. They are looking for contridictions. If you answer some of them, they keep looking for more. So God gives them some. I hope they are happy. Quantrill
Everybody who read Quran can find hundred times more contradictions as allegedly the Holy Bible contains.
Margot. honestly. if you were such a scholar you'd be telling us why the story is written that way. If God is hiding the truth from you, there's nothing we can do for ya.
Oh please, tell you what, tell me that you haven't noticed the several places wherein the quran tells muslims to kill and subjugate anyone not muslim.
That is so untrue it's not even funny. In Judaism, it is believed that the TORAH was spoken, literally out of the mouth of GOD himself. This is why in Judaism the passover is still observed. It is believed that an angel of death, litterally killed the first born in Egypt.
