Corona Virus Update

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  1. Spim

    Spim Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Im dam glad we have him, and this is coming from a guy that voted against him twice and did everything I could to convince others to do the same. I'm willing to admit that I was wrong.
     
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    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    We have not had one president back as far as Eisnhower that would have been as feckless and ineffective as Trump has proven to be.

    Not one would have lied to us so repeatedly, failed to marshall the creation and delivery of required PPE, blamed governors for what needs to be a federal response, ignored medical science religiously and ignored our overflowing hospitals and the doctors and other staff that are sacrificing their lives to save people.
     
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    Spim Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    seems like medical staff should consider temporary shelter in the hotels, to protect their family, I know they are doing that in some areas.

    my wifes work just switched to rotating teams, work 1 week take 1 week off, it's a terrific idea, and IF someone from one team gets sick the other team is somewhat protected from exposure.
     
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    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    Cite please.

    Also, let's remember that these predictions are based on our behavior - whether Americans fall in line behind what medical science states is best practice.

    They don't all assume we will be perfect, but some do.

    Today, we do not.
     
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    Spim Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I can name two...

    Hillary would have already cracked under the pressure and fubared this up so badly.

    Biden? well, I'll just say "joe" and leave it at that.
     
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    I saw this info on the news, so a quick google shows many sources that back it up, here is one
    https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/dramatic-reduction-in-covid-19-disaster-projections/amp/

    and

    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/amp...model-now-predicts-many-fewer-u-s-deaths.html
     
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    I'm certainly all in favor of efforts like this to try to reduce risk.

    And, I have huge respect for all staff in these situations.

    Today, we have doctors and nurses who are leaving their states to help in places like New York that are totally overrun. And, we have doctors who have retired (thus are in the risk group by age) who are coming back to treat COVID patients!!

    Serious dedication.

    I the fact of that sacrifice, how can our leadership and our full population not rally our support in every way possible?
     
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    Bull.

    And, it's time to lay off the totally partisan political crap fest.
     
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    If we had this attitude one sees coming from some trump opponents we would have won WW2 in 18 months.

    Hillary, whom I detest, and Joe would have done ten times better than Trump.
     
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    Spim Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    that's not partisan at all,

    I think obama would/could have handle this well, but hes busy with netflix projects right now. the voters didnt think that Pete, Amy, Tulsi were ready for prime time. but I'd have confidence in them...

    Trump (and pence) has stepped up to the plate and hes hitting line drives Into the gap every day. I'm thankful that he finally figured out how to utilize his incredible stamina and focus. Hes doing a great job, oddly enough he was preparing for this his whole life.
     
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    The article in the National Review points to a prediction model where there were 4 major changes in how they went about prediction.

    None of those changes focused on changes in counts of cases or deaths. They were changes in the modeling such as noticing that Italy and Spain have peaked sooner than might have been expected, and changing the way states with small number are handled, as smaller numbers lead to less certainty.

    Today, our new case count is still increasing exponentially and we still have many states without state wide policies that match what the CDC calls for and other states are implementing.
     
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    All incorrect. The number is new cases today was roughly the same as yesterday’s which was much lower than the day prior to that. Now that the deaths predictions for the US is lower from what ?, 200-250k a week ago, that’s great news. 81k is far less.
     
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    Obama isn't president now! Why would you mention what he's doing today as a negative?? Did you mention Bush43 painting?

    I do NOT agree that Trump has stepped up to the plate. So far, his major effort has been to tell governors that they are on their own. And, he's followed through on that, failing to convey US policy direction in accordance with meical science, failing to marshall our manufacturing capability, failing to increase our ability to test (where other counries have outstripped us dramatically), and generally showing NO leadership (such as suggesting people wear masks while saying that he isn't going to wear a mask!).

    And, he left us dramatically LESS prepared by killing Obama's effort to create a planned, FEMA-like capacity for addressing pandemic in the USA.
     
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    ?? I didn't say it wasn't good news.

    I stated why the predictions are lower. And, I discovered that by going to the referenced study and THEIR description of why it is lower:

    "Why did these changes occur? Even though at the national level the total number of deaths remains fairly unchanged, today’s release introduces substantial changes for several states. We present the major sources for these changes here.

    Since our last release, IHME has made four substantial updates to the COVID-19 death model; we summarize them here."

    http://www.healthdata.org/covid/updates

    (This is the study which is the basis of the reporting in both your links.)
     
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    I'd also point out that none of the projections reported by this study match the much larger numbers coming from presidential briefings.

    So, I'd have to believe that there are other models that are considered important.
     
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    obama should have at least replenished the stockpiles to carry out this grand master plan.

    we can agree to disagree, I know you are just too deep down the partisan well to climb out and admit you are wrong but that's ok, you have plenty of company that think a drunk or an alzheimers patient would do a better job.

    anyway

    only 5 more years. the "nightmare",is 40% over. :)

    but if the Lohan virus come back, no worries, uncle joe is on the job.
     
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    It’s just about over with

    By May it’s back to normal for most
     
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    Okay doctor. The Ph.D. is what again?
     
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    Five days in a row of 1000+ dead and it is "just about over with."
     
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    It has plateaued and will quickly reverse
     
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    There are hints that we have hit the inflection point in the curve. But only signifies the halfway point. And that could be an artifact of testing limits as well. And assuming New York is seeing a little flattening of the curve, a lot of it depends on how other epicenters do in Florida, Michigan, Illinois, New Jersey, Massachusetts, and a few other places.
     
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    Yes several cities will be bad but it’s time to open the rest of the nation
     
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    So you think you're psychic. A trumper no doubt.
     

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